Marine Maint Price Increases - A Rant

[Passages]

There are several quick access security boxes on the market to protect unauthorized use. I have one of these on the boat now as I am not living at home these days. I have a 3 year old, and I am certainly going to do everything to protect him.

Randy,
All kidding aside, can you attach a few pics or web links of these quick access security boxes?

 

[Genesis]

The best ones (that I've seen anyway) have a pattern on them that is in the shape of a hand. You can manipulate and open them in seconds, but they are nearly 100% secure if someone "unauthorized" tries to get into them.

Those are of course only good for a pistol, which is what they're designed for. Good "under the bed" or "in the nightstand" setups; reach down and get what you need, when you need it.

 

[thoward]

You need to read that Second Amendment again.

It clearly protects an individual - not a collective - right.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "

Note that it does not say "The right of the states" or "the right of the state militias".

If you read The Federalist (which is why I referenced it earlier!) you'd find that the words "well regulated" means "able to direct fire accurately" (and not "under the command of a general") You would also find that "militia" refers to two different but overlapping bodies of armed men - one being recognized as "organized" (e.g. state organized military units) and the latter being defined as all able-bodied men!

Do the research guys and gals.... its out there.

Case law means more than some book so here you go:

In United States v. Miller,4 the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that ''[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.''5 The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of ''civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.'' It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that ''comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,'' who, ''when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.''6 Therefore, ''n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well- regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.''7

The Second Amendment is to defend the State! At least in the eyes of the Supreme Court.

As far as being trained in the use of a gun....I really do not know what the point of owning one is if you can not use it effectively.

 

[Freebird]

Randy,
All kidding aside, can you attach a few pics or web links of these quick access security boxes?

There is a link to my company website that will put you where you need to be. Fort Knox has the best one in terms of construction, but they are more expensive. Cannon has one that will work just as well, but does not provide as high security, not that this is really an issue because unless you bolt these things to something, they have a carrying handle. They are not safes, but I can help there too.

I think there may still be a problem with the link to the Fort Knox site on mine. You can access them directly at www.ftknox.com or click on the homepage highlight if you get an error message on mine.

I don't deal much in these types of units, so you may want to do a search for quick access pistol boxes. I'm not trying to sell any of you anything, this is much more serious than making a couple of bucks.

 

[Genesis]

Go read the 10th Amendment. You can bet the Justices have.

They made the point that the Second Amendment was in fact an individual right.

"Defend the State" - yep. Remember Amendment 10?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Read out of context, things can look odd. Miller held that a sawed-off shotgun was not a militia weapon (in that it had no reasonable purpose for a militia to bear it), and thus, it was permissible to ban such a weapon.

Note, however, that Miller explicitly ratified the purpose of the Second Amendment - its not about hunting or shooting armed intruders in your home. It is about upholding the people upholding the rule of law - no matter who is violating it!

The common defense - if not organized under federal auspices - and by "ordinary citizens most of the time" - is exactly what the founders envisioned.

That is the body of men, generally, who serve as the final check and balance upon a usurpation of the laws - whether by a foreign invader or a government run amok.

It is my fervent desire that we never need to actually exercise what was envisioned by the founders, and so long as the Second Amendment remains strong, odds are we never will.

 

[hunshatt]

I LOVE divergent threads.........yuoz guyz is da bestest.

 

[Freebird]

Ah shucks, it weren't nuthin'. No reason for anybody to git their PIAW.

You ain't from around here is ya'?

 

[Boss Lady]

I give away copies of the "Federalist Papers", I think it should be required reading for all Americans. It was the dialog of the day to ally fears and convince the citizenry to ratify the constitution. If you read "what" the founding fathers wrote there is no confusion of the intent of the constitution and its' amendments. If you are ignorant of the facts then you can easily be led astray with emotional arguements and revisionist history. Judicial fiat is unconstitutional. The supreme court is only to decide whether a law enacted is in concert with the constitution or not. The court does not have the authority to write laws or enact them. Our form of government is a Republic, not a Democracy. Long live the Repubic and damn Democracy. Democracy is mob rule and all Democracies have failed once the masses have figured out that they can grant themselves largess from the public treasury by voting for the guy who will give it to them. That is precisely where we have been heading for the last 40 years and we are almost there.

 

[thoward]

As in the Miller case, the general public does not bear the arms of a modern day militia therefore are not really protected. The intent of Founding Fathers is lost and say what you want but we are in no position to defend our State.

Quittin' time but I'llbe back

 

[Freebird]

Come on guys, let's just agree to disagree, okay?

Let's at least talk about shooting guns on our Hatts, that's always fun!

 

[Genesis]

As in the Miller case, the general public does not bear the arms of a modern day militia therefore are not really protected. The intent of Founding Fathers is lost and say what you want but we are in no position to defend our State.

Quittin' time but I'llbe back

On the contrary.

Any honest military man (or woman) will tell you - there's not a snowball's chance in hell that they could sustain a military takeover of the civilian population given the presence of arms and arms technology among the general public.

Yes, the 2nd Amendment has been severely watered down, but the day it ceases to provide the check and balance on our government that was intended is the day I'm going ex-pat. Why? Because the alternative is to be here when all hell breaks loose - no thanks!

 

[SKYCHENEY]

The best ones (that I've seen anyway) have a pattern on them that is in the shape of a hand. You can manipulate and open them in seconds, but they are nearly 100% secure if someone "unauthorized" tries to get into them.

Those are of course only good for a pistol, which is what they're designed for. Good "under the bed" or "in the nightstand" setups; reach down and get what you need, when you need it.

The best security boxes do NOT rely on batteries. You need a box with a simplex lock. It is a mechanical push button lock that you can feel and unlock quickly with one hand. It is programable so you can enter your own combination of buttons to open it. I have several of these boxes mounted in places where I may need them. These were installed when my kids were babies, but are not really necessary now as they are now 7 & 8 and have been educated (by me). This includes time at the range (observing) and not just a lecture on the "bad" things that can happen. If you own a gun, you have an obligation to learn how and when to use it and to teach the others around you.

 

[Freebird]

Well heck, if ya'll don't mind digressions, let's just set up a firing range and have some fun.

Bayliner 10 points
Meridian Same thing
Silverton Couldn't get one on the range, no fair shooting one on the hard
Sea Ray 50 points, fast moving target. 75 points if it sinks
Hatteras 100 points, 110 if the ricochet sinks the Bayliner

Now what do ya'll want to talk about next?

 

[Freebird]

The best security boxes do NOT rely on batteries. You need a box with a simplex lock. It is a mechanical push button lock that you can feel and unlock quickly with one hand. It is programable so you can enter your own combination of buttons to open it. I have several of these boxes mounted in places where I may need them. These were installed when my kids were babies, but are not really necessary now as they are now 7 & 8 and have been educated (by me). This includes time at the range (observing) and not just a lecture on the "bad" things that can happen. If you own a gun, you have an obligation to learn how and when to use it and to teach the others around you.

Wow, I thought I would be the expert on this subject, I guess not. The units I sell have Simplex locks, and they are the best IMHO. There is some techy stuff out there, but I would stay away from those. No offense to any tech guys.

Not to be a bad 'bird, but just because your 7 & 8 year olds know better, that doesn't mean their friends will. It's not going to help the safety of your family if a bad guy breaks in unarmed and is leaving armed when you and your family show up.

Had that happen to a customer of mine who was a cop. He came home with his wife one night and found the door ajar. He had a gun and went inside to see what was going on. He met a guy coming down the hallway with a couple of the cops pistols stuck in his pants. The cop drew down on him, and told him to freeze. Bad guy tried to pull a gun, but it got stuck in his underwear. First one to shoot won.

The next day, there was an article in the newspaper telling this story. On the opposite page were the obituaries. The bad guy was listed. Said he passed away suddenly the day before. True story.

Keep the guns in the boxes. Why not? You already have them.

Just a little 'bird food for thought.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Not to be a bad 'bird, but just because your 7 & 8 year olds know better, that doesn't mean their friends will. It's not going to help the safety of your family if a bad guy breaks in unarmed and is leaving armed when you and your family show up.

Had that happen to a customer of mine who was a cop. He came home with his wife one night and found the door ajar. He had a gun and went inside to see what was going on. He met a guy coming down the hallway with a couple of the cops pistols stuck in his pants. The cop drew down on him, and told him to freeze. Bad guy tried to pull a gun, but it got stuck in his underwear. First one to shoot won.

The next day, there was an article in the newspaper telling this story. On the opposite page were the obituaries. The bad guy was listed. Said he passed away suddenly the day before. True story.

Keep the guns in the boxes. Why not? You already have them.

Just a little 'bird food for thought.

No need to worry. Lets just say that I'm completely aware of all of the potential situations. They are all taken into consideration. There will be no such "accidents". I will be happy to discuss privately, but any means of personal security should not be public for obvious reasons. Thank you for your concern, though.

 

[Freebird]

I figured you knew what you were doing.

One of the things I tell a safe customer to take into consideration when choosing the level of security he needs is to make a decision based on what he has, and how much he talks about what he has.

Security begins at home, unfortunately it can end someplace else.

 

[Jaxfishgyd]

This is one of the biggest reasons for high cost, overpaid CEO's and management, Not the union.

Now let's get back to boating.....

Home Depot CEO Nardelli abruptly resigns

By HARRY R. WEBER
AP Business Write


ATLANTA (AP) -- Dogged by criticism of his hefty pay and his company's poor stock performance, Bob Nardelli abruptly resigned as chairman and chief executive of The Home Depot Inc. after six years at the helm of the world's largest home improvement store chain, the company said Wednesday.

But he didn't leave empty-handed: the Atlanta-based company said Nardelli would receive a severance package worth roughly $210 million, an amount decried by some lawmakers as a golden parachute that sends the wrong message to investors

 

[Genesis]

The proper fix for that is for investors to either fire the board or fire the company.

IMHO he should get a big fat zero for severance.

 

[(Nobody You Know)]

But he didn't leave empty-handed: the Atlanta-based company said Nardelli would receive a severance package worth roughly $210 million, an amount decried by some lawmakers as a golden parachute that sends the wrong message to investors

How interesting. Should it be no surprise that HD is one of the hardest corps. in America to get money out of? In the earliy 90's I was the Teledyne Princeton (piggy back) fork lift dealer in Atlanta. Our job was to keep all HD trailer mounted Princeton fork lift units fully opperational (being the big corp. HD was they bought directly from the factory in Columbus, Ohio). On too many occasions, and even with a PO#, I had to camp out on HD's corp. steps in Vinnings, (Marietta) GA to get paid. Funny thing is this, in an uncanny way, repeated itself in 2005 when I contracted HD to ifurnish and install a dishwasher in my "plywood mansion" on the NC coast. Their installer failed to provide the (paid for) new hoses, and left a leaking sysem in their trail. It took me over one year to get Home Depot to rimburse me for the expenses I incurred in getting this problem corrected.

Stick with Lowes guys, trust me.

 

[Boss Lady]

Hey Capt Bill, I get tickeled with the realtors here in NC who think these Carolina "Fish Shacks" are mansions! LOL "and this lovely waterfront home is only $1.7 million", well I have news for them a 2800 square foot house built by bubba and his cousins with stolen building materials, Lowes cabinets,formica countertops, and vinly siding is not a lovely home. I guess they don't know what a hurricane does to houses made of wood. I can buy a real waterfront home in Florida, and have enough money left over for jet fuel for the next 8 years to go visit for the same amount of money.