1974 Hatteras 58TC "Freebird"

[Freebird]

1974 58TC "Freebird"

Pre-divorce sale. Her loss, your gain. Look at pics and specs on brochure archives. Look at past thread on Sandbar "Pics of Freebird". My entire history of running this boat is listed under "Maiden Voyage From Hell". Look for possibly a new thread "Maiden Divorce From Hell" coming to a forum near you.

Just the facts.

Beautiful customized classic diamond in the rough. Quite frankly, better shape than most Hatts I've been on of this vintage or even newer.

Everything that is not broken works just fine.

Starboard 12V71N partially disassembled, needs rebuild. Heads already rebuilt. Mechanic says engine appears to have less than 1,000 hours. Blew due to oil starvation likely due to blown oil line.

AC's serviced and fully operational. Port engine and 15kw Onan in proper running condition.

3 VacuFlush heads fully operational maintained by 12 volt battery with charger.

Interior mostly stripped. No carpet, little furniture. Excellent project boat. Very solid hull in very good condition with 1 year old bottom paint, newly reconditioned props plus newly conditioned spares.

Boat relocated from Cincinnati approx 2 years ago. Older couple lived aboard. Central electric furnace ducted throughout the boat would provide cold weather comfort. Could be upgraded to include AC as evaporator could be hidden from view on aft deck.

Would make excellent liveaboard or charter but may be cursed.

Ran approximately 18 mph at 2,100. Topped out at approx 22 mph prior to engine failure. Sorry for the mph figures, I'm a riverboater you know.

All factory manuals and old surveys. Previously documented with complete history.

Has additional fuel tank in bow. PO says 200 gallons, but he never put fuel in it after having it drained and cleaned.

Dockage at Riviera Dunes Marina prepaid through April. Other slips available there and at Twin Dolphin nearby.

Will sacrifice for $115k as is, where is. Will sell in running condition for amount of repair cost added to as is price. Details upon request. May consider trade for low mileage predictable female 30 something to 40 something who appreciates hard working faithful types who love boats and keeps her promises.

865/376-6297 anytime. Calls generally forwarded to cell when not in office.

That's about it. Oh yeah, anybody interested in an established 25 year old nationally recognized record breaking safe business, '05 Cadillac CTS-V, '05 Harley Davidson Screamin' Eagle V-Rod, '93 Boston Whaler Rage 14, '96 Lowe 22' outboard deck boat, extensive collection of high quality firearms including many Belgium Brownings, Omega gold watch, gold wedding band with channel set diamonds, or a broken down 49 year old SDWM (Suddenly Disowned White Male) should also give me a call. I'll make you the package deal from hell. Yep, you can have the wife as well if she becomes available. She is available only as is, but that is subject to change without notice.

Now would somebody please get me a drink before I change my mind and keep this thing? Seriously, this is a nice boat that simply has to go.

 

[Freebird]

Yep, this is a dirty trick to keep on the front page. She's gotta go boys!

 

[eclipsarkanna]

Could someone who is more tech savy than me tell me how to find the "brochure archives" (even the search tool turns up zero) as well as the "past thread on Sandbar Pics of Freebird and lastly the "Maiden Voyage from Hell". Perhaps that is some inside joke and these things don't really exist. But since I am serious about possibly buying this 58 TC any help from anyone to find these things referred to above in Freebird's selling email would be most appreciated.

Bill

 

[Freebird]

Could someone who is more tech savy than me tell me how to find the "brochure archives" (even the search tool turns up zero) as well as the "past thread on Sandbar Pics of Freebird and lastly the "Maiden Voyage from Hell". Perhaps that is some inside joke and these things don't really exist. But since I am serious about possibly buying this 58 TC any help from anyone to find these things referred to above in Freebird's selling email would be most appreciated.

Bill

Hey Bill, I probably gave you ambiguous information on how to look at the brochure archives. Click on the "Sam's Marine" logo on the top right corner of this page and then you will see the brochure archives on the left side of the page.

I assume the "Maiden Voyage From Hell" thread is there as Pascal actually listed a link to it on another post. I just can't remember which post it was. Click on my name "Freebird" and then click on "threads started by Freebird". That should do it, but I will check to see. If that doesn't work, I'll post a follow up for you and anyone else who may have an interest.

Okay, here we go, Freebird Pics
http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4818

"Maiden Voyage From Hell"
http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3850

Brochure
http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochures/58TC/58TCArchives.htm

 

[eclipsarkanna]

Can anyone with Hatteras Forum tech savy help me out. There is a link on this thread to go to Freebirds pics but when I click on that link I get redirected to an old thread (with only one picture - the wheelhouse with a counter) but no other pics of the 58TC. Any help in getting all of Freebirds' pics would be most appreciated from anyone out there that understands how to work they way through the computer aspects of this forum. I just keep getting brick walls but no pics. Many thanks.

Bill

 

[thoward]

Randy, if you have any Rugar Mini 14s, Aks or Sks's let me know please. I am not looking for high end ones as they are for the boat and I hate to leave good guns on the boat...

BTW I can not get the pics either......

 

[Eventide]

Bill: I don't know Randy or his boat, but that price for that much boat could be the deal of a lifetime. If you are interested then you should seriously check it out. From your other posts it appears that your brother-in-law could probably put the engine back together. Detroits are fairly easy and intuitive, and are great engines. Parts are easily available, and they are the very definition of low tech. I love them. And you could take her up to Canada real slow, enjoy the trip and save on fuel. Make it a challenge, even, to see how miserly she can be over a long distance. Work on teaching those single engine guys over on PMM a lesson or two.

There is an old saying in business: Never steal in slow motion.

If this boat could fit your needs then this might be the time to follow through.

Good luck.


Michael

 

[Genesis]

If that was the boat I'd want 5 years from now I'd buy it and bring it home on the good motor, then fix it myself... might negotiate a bit tho

 

[Freebird]

Let me address the last two respondents. First, this is one hell of a deal on this boat regardless of the blown engine. This boat is in much better shape than some member's boats I've been on who represented them to be in excellent shape. This is why I had no problem when I bought the boat with no survey of any kind because I knew for a fact I could blow both engines and generator, remove the interior, then replace everything and still be far below market value with new engines and an interior of my choice. That scenario remains.

To Karl and anyone else, there is no further negotiation to be had on this deal. I've laid it on the line, now it's up to someone to take advantage of my situation. Otherwise, I will keep this boat and continue with my original plans to bring her to the level of perfection my 41DC is.

You snooze, you lose!

 

[Genesis]

A TC (or any motoryacht) doesn't work for me. No cockpit, not useful. Its the diving thing 'ya see.....

 

[Eventide]

Bill: if you are truly concerned about fuel consumption on this boat then you might look into 'de-rating' the Detroits, i.e., eliminate the turbos and change out the injectors to N 55s or something similar. I have not done this personally but when I went through the DD school to get certified I believe they told me it could be done. You need to verify this if this is the direction you wish to pursue. Cost/Benefit analysis would be useful, and others on this board are far more qualified to do this than me. In any case this seems to be a great deal on a fine Hatteras.

And Freebird: What part of 'this could be the deal of a lifetime' in my previous post did you not understand? Don't shoot the friendlies, son.

 

[eclipsarkanna]

Michael:

I appreciate the advice in both of your posts and believe me, I know its a great deal and I am busy trying to re-wrap my mind around an older 58TC owned by the "Bird" versus a no-problem 53ED very close to my retirement destination. My B-I-L confirmed to me that we can pull the existing injectors and insert smaller consumption ones that will help the fuel consumption without causing engine problems running at a lower RPM would cause. The other issue is the trip (I am getting out of the grief factors in life - the maiden voyage from hell and all!). Then I have a bit of a "length" problem to address in my Bay and dock being built and then the issue of a Newbie piloting a heavy 58 vs the lighter/shorter 53ED. And unfortunately I have made the terrible mistake a buyer should never make - all I see in my future is a 53ED because I have fallen for the "looks" and the fact that they seem to be so popular and therefore easily re-sold. Believe me though, my head is aching from the conflict of great money savings that I would have on the buy side. The last problem is that there is not a single marina from Kingston, Ontario through to Brockville that can haul out anything bigger than a 53 (so I am told and I have contacted several including Hucks Marine in Rockport who seem to be the biggest and closest to my place in the 1000 Islands). Just seeing Randy's great 58TC has caused me several sleepless nights over the past few days wondering what to do. I also told the "Bird" that I don't believe in negotiating from a 'final' position that a seller asserts so that leaves me scrambling to find every bit of value information I can find (time consuming indeed).

Thanks for your input - much appreciated.

Bill

Bill

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Bill,
You can't go wrong with a 53ED. Of course, as someone else pointed out, we are all biased toward our own boats. We love our ED. I have been aboard a 58TC and I can tell you that you have almost as much room on the ED. The 58 has the advantage of an aft deck that is more easily opened up to fresh air (unless someone put a full enclosure on it) and it essentially has 2 salons. The 53ED, however has a huge salon and the engine rooms are much more accessible than the 58TC. I also like the large flybridge on the 53. Another plus for the 53 is the little aft deck for handling lines.

I think you have to decide whether to spend your money up front and buy a newer 53ED or buy an older 58TC that will need some work. Also the 58 will cost more for dockage and storage and some services like bottom painting. That is a cost that will hit you every year.

No matter what you decide, you are on the right track since you are considering a Hatteras. Good luck. I hope you find the boat that suits your needs.

 

[eclipsarkanna]

Sky:

You hit the very buttons that I am concerned about. The one thing that struck me going through the membership on HOF was the huge number of 53 owners (Classic and ED versions). That tells a huge story. There is no question the "Bird's" TC is beautiful and if I was younger I wouldn't have to think about it - go for the more unique 58 TC and roll the sleeves up and hope to complete the engine rebuild dirt cheap and be ahead. So I am going to sit and wait until early April to see if there is a firming up on prices and then make my decision. If prices are still heading south in the normal heavy buy season, then I will be really worried but won't have much choice but to make the leap.

The 53ED is really a great looking yacht and the extra space on the flybridge area is a real bonus. I don't want or need a double salon so that is a bit of negative on the 58TC. Its a shame they discontinued the 58TC as I think has a lot more to offer over some of the other models in the 58 line. But then again, its all about the personal needs and wants of each person.

All the best.

 

[Freebird]

Bill: if you are truly concerned about fuel consumption on this boat then you might look into 'de-rating' the Detroits, i.e., eliminate the turbos and change out the injectors to N 55s or something similar. I have not done this personally but when I went through the DD school to get certified I believe they told me it could be done. You need to verify this if this is the direction you wish to pursue. Cost/Benefit analysis would be useful, and others on this board are far more qualified to do this than me. In any case this seems to be a great deal on a fine Hatteras.

And Freebird: What part of 'this could be the deal of a lifetime' in my previous post did you not understand? Don't shoot the friendlies, son.

Dang Eventide Bubba,

I'm not sure what I said that would make you feel I misunderstood anything about what you said. I interpreted your contribution as nothing but positive, and I appreciated it very much. This is indeed "a great deal on a fine Hatteras".

I went back and read what I posted behind you, and I must be missing something. I did make the comment that I would not lower the price I listed, but that was in response to Karl's comment that he would negotiate the price a bit more. Sorry if I somehow lead you to believe I was shooting a "friendly" there "Dad".

Now, for what it's worth, I went to a great deal of trouble to compare speed and fuel burn between the 58 with 12V71N's (note N's) to that of a 53ED (which I like also and was considering making an offer on one) with the turbo 8's. I used information provided on the brochure archives on this site. I believe I made reference to that in my thread about the boat. I was very surprised to find that the fuel burn figures given to me by DD were very close to those listed on a formal "Boating" magazine test on the archive. The speeds at the same rpm were almost identical. The only place the fuel burn became a factor in favor of the smaller boat with smaller engines was at the upper end of rpm, specifically WOT.

I wish somebody else beside YottsmanWillie had a 58TC I could talk to about such things as speed vs fuel as my running time on this boat was less than sufficient to make any real determinations. I will tell you that the PO swore he got 1mpg at displacement speed (1,300 as I recall. I can check with him) when he moved the boat from Cincinnati to New Port Richey, FL. He had owned several boats, so he was no rookie. Given the fuel figures that DD gave me, I have a hard time believing the 1 mpg claim, but the PO was adamant about that.

I did consider a repower when the starboard got cooked, but it made little sense to do that IMHO. Interesting enough, I met a couple from TN who had recently purchased an older 58TC which had been repowered with Cummins as I recall) diesels. I ran across them by "accident"(?) when I met Norm and Sue Mayer from this forum. We did not discuss particulars even though I eventually spent the night with them on their 58TC.

To clarify, my 58TC has had the upper former open air area totally enclosed. Unlike it came from the factory, the floor of that area has been built up as to be level, something it is not from the factory. The original bulkhead which had a window and a regular size door to starboard has been removed altogether. In it's place is a large wetbar with an undercounter refrigerator on the left, and an undercounter icemaker on the right. There is a recessed sink in the middle with bottle/glass storage areas to each side. A larger AC unit was placed under the bar to provide additonal cooling for that new upper salon/pilothouse area.

I love the 53ED, but this 58 has much more living area than the 53. It's not an opinion, it's a matter of fact which can easily be verified with a tape measure. There are two sliding glass doors at the rear of the upper salon, and there is a fairly small deck area at the stern for line handling or for outdooring grilling. This was all very professionally done, but I would replace the two sliders with something more along the line of what you would see on a convertible or CPMY. A single entry door to starboard with a solid bulkhead housing a large plate glass (etched) window would be more suitable to my taste.

I have volunteered to help Bill find a 53ED if that is better suited to his needs. I will even go back and see if I can still find info on the 53ED I came damn near to placing a contract on before finding the 58. It had a contract pending at the time, but the broker had little hope it would go through and said a back-up contract would secure the deal for me in his opinion. I was going to place a back up offer, but the 58 changed all that.

To anyone interested, this is in fact one hell of a nice boat with tons of potential. I'll reveal a little secret to you, I have had a boat dealer's license for almost 20 years, and I am no rookie. Hopefully that will not make this advertisement improper because this is my personal boat. Hell, every boat I've bought and sold in the past 20 years has been personal. I just got the license to aid in my addiction to boats. I've made money on some, I've lost money on some that I fell in love with and kept too long. But this boat is a potential moneymaker, finished or not. I just need to make it go away, or I would be handling this whole deal differently.

If it sells, it sells. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It will not make or break me either way, but it is simply not a priority for me right now.

Your turn!

 

[yachtsmanbill]

J.H.C. Golllee Goober. All this time I thought 'chall had a stil cookin', now I think sumpin' else is cookin' out back for you to be able to type that much!!
Why dont you post some pictures? Walgreens will make a disc from a disposable camera.
Heres the deal Barney, Run the tub and meet the sub for a
HATTERIVERENDEVOUS around the middle of April at mile 226 on old 'muddy. Split from there and run around the hooks to Padookie and yer home. Leave today and ya'll should be there on time.
FWIW -- The stern pic is the sub surface running at 1400 chargin' batteries, 11 mph and making 100 miles on 120 gallons, including L&D times. Heres 'ol Warren (remember the deputy?) Doin' the deed! Dont forget to wish the new guy happy birthday. ws

 

[yachtsmanbill]

A little salt in the wounds? Each side uses 16 onces of Rotella per day. I forgot the technical stuff for you know who... N70s ws

 

[eclipsarkanna]

Dear All:

At the risk of hurting myself but for the betterment of anyone looking for a great deal on a live-aboard, the Bird's 58TC is in fact a steal at his asking in its "as is where is" basis. The Bird has also been so kind as to help me on the 53ED side (I could make the 58 work but I am at an age and stage where I just want a newer and smaller - in length - yacht). As I also told the Bird on a private email message, the biggest problem I have is that on the St. Lawrence where I will be, the 53 ED is not a haul out problem but a 58 is. Beats me why 5 feet would make a difference but apparently it does. Trust me all - if I could make the 58TC work at my dock, I wouldn't be sitting on this forum and chasing the 53ED market and dropping at least another 100K. I would be in Palmetto buying the Bird's boat and off this godforsaken Island in the middle of the Atlantic 8 weeks sooner than planned!. I still haven't discounted the 58TC and just may choose to dredge my bay to be able to get the 58 into my slot without bottoming out on a daily basis. It may be cheaper in the long run!!

Bill

 

[yachtsmanbill]

Had a brain fart yet? We mite have a tug running from Charleston to Chicago via the seaway early summer. DING DING DING ws

 

[Eventide]

Jeez, Bill, I don't know. Freebird's 58 is $100,000 less than a 53 and she has Naturally Aspirated DDs to boot? (you could not PAY me to own turbos, but that is another kettle of heated fish.) Since your home dockage will be free after you have your home base set up, I believe that I would try to find a way to make the 58 work. That extra $100,000 that you won't spend, compounded at 10%, will completely pay off the 58 in less than eight years, and you will still have your $100,000 free and clear ($100K @ 10% compounded monthly grows to $215K in under eight years; from the $215K you subtract out your original $100K investment which leaves the original 58 TC cost of $115K. In effect, you get the 58 TC for FREE because you are fiscally prudent and bought the larger, less expensive boat).

Here in Florida (your winter cruising) the difference in dockage between the 53 and the 58 (at five feet) is between $50 and $100 a month. Not very much.

Something to think about.