rolly Hats offshore, 60 E.B. vs 53

[krush]

/me wants in on the excitement.

 

[MicroKap]

Maybe we should only accept information as being credible from people that actually own the specific model in question? There are enough members on this forum that can give a good idea on how a model boat handles, etc.

As far as engines go, people with experience with specific engines (ie. Detroit Diesel, Catepillar, MTU, etc.) may comment based on their experience.

As an owner of a 1980 60' EB Sportfish (non-stablized), we've already been hit hard enough in this economy, so we don't need people bashing each other and our beautiful vintage Hatteri. You get a few people Googling these models and you'll kill any market for some seller out there. It's up to their brokers and their pocketbooks to determine how much they want to sell their boats for. Each person uses their boat differently. We are not commercial fishermen, otherwise we would have a trawler and drag a net off the transom. We are sportfishermen. We can pick and choose when we want to go fishing. As far as being an enclosed flybridge, that's what they make all those nifty new cameras for so that you can still see what's going on down in the cockpit as well as aft of the transom. Handling the boat from inside or the aft deck of the flybridge is no worse than cockpit controls where you have the whole house in front of you as an obstruction.

Just cut it out already and delete this thread. It's abusive to us owners.

 

[luckydave215]

Just cut it out already and delete this thread. It's abusive to us owners.

And complete and total bull$hit.........
The guy's probably a jealous Bayliner owner who's never been beyond the breakwater.

 

[saltshaker]

This is going way off. The OP asked how the 2 boats compared with concern to roll when laying offshore. All boats rock to some extent when they are drifting. Which of these 2 is better I couldn't say. I would think given the hull characteristics both boats should be fine but I have no first hand experience. We also shouldn't confuse roll with quality of design, construction or sea keeping characteristics while running. As for stabilizers, I think most of the stabilized 60's are done so for running at hull speed. Any boat would benefit from them at slower speeds. Both boats were very successful and well regarded for Hatteras. I doubt you could find too much fault with either one other than being slower and a bit dated compared to a new 3-4 million dollar sportfish that can cruise 53kts in flat seas.

I doubt a few post here could hurt the reputation of these great boats. The 42 and 46 Bertrams are considered by many to be 2 of the best rough water fishing boats ever built. Try drifting in either one in anything but a flat sea. They'll rock like mad but many still swear by them. No boat is perfect and all have their strong points and weaknesses with regard to performance. I love the way my 46C handles but due to the big keel, she gets pushed around in heavy seas if you try to run 13-15kts. Crank her up and she cuts through nicely. When it gets real nasty, you need to slow down to 10-12kts and run her sensibly.

 

[rsmith]

A CG 44 MLB a boat designed for rescue purposes a boat that can withstand a 360 degree roll. My comments were in response to your opinion that a 46 Hatt was a better choice than a 60 in nasty wether remember you said they were a better choice because they're lighter and will stay on top. Here are your words in case you forgot.

"If I had my choice to lay off shore in nasty weather would be the 46. It has higher freeboard so you don't take waves in the cockpit and its lighter and bobs over the waves"

I didn't think we were talking about a purpose built boat like the 44 MLBs and neither did you. You've now become desperate and sound even more foolish than you did earlier. I think your most recent comments speak volumes about your knowledge of boats and your judgement in general. Now I'm hoping that you were lying about all your experience because the thought of you running a boat with paying passengers in anything but a lily pond is freightning.

bahahahahahahaha I outsmarted you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MORON
Do you even own a boat?

 

[sportfish 45]

Lets put it to rest. No harm no foul hope you feel the same.

 

[hyperfishing]

This is an EXTREMELY useful thread for future hat owners. LOVE both the enclosed bridge and old school 53 sportsfish.

I wanted to know which boat, lying dead in the water, way off shore (Not something normal people would do), would be less rolly. I got my answer.

 

[Walter P]

Why is everyone so concerned about rolling? We all know that if you let the seas hit you broadside, your boat will roll. Steer your course accordingly and zig-zag if necessary. If you lose power for whatever reason, deploy a sea anchor. Cheeezzz do we have to invite a few sail boaters here to instruct us.
Now all you children go to your rooms....no dinner for you tonight.

Walt

 

[Trojan]

This is an EXTREMELY useful thread for future hat owners. LOVE both the enclosed bridge and old school 53 sportsfish.

I wanted to know which boat, lying dead in the water, way off shore (Not something normal people would do), would be less rolly. I got my answer.

I don't think you got anything of true value yet. You have 2 opinions. Nether opinion was conclusive on roll. None of the conditions were the same. They were only opinions. Until you have facts and figures your only going to get opinions. Your not likely going to get any facts or figs they probably don't exist. But if you can get 50 plus opinions you would have a lot more information and could compare somewhat. Two opinions is nothing. None of the opinions came with facts only comments. Not that either opinion was bad or fraud. They were only opinions. In my opinion I don't think you got your answer. Maybe you should buy or rent one of each boat and form your own opinion.

BILL

 

[saltshaker]

Why is everyone so concerned about rolling? We all know that if you let the seas hit you broadside, your boat will roll. Steer your course accordingly and zig-zag if necessary. If you lose power for whatever reason, deploy a sea anchor. Cheeezzz do we have to invite a few sail boaters here to instruct us.
Now all you children go to your rooms....no dinner for you tonight.

Walt

Walt,
The concern was how much roll while drifting or anchored off shore.

 

[sportfish 45]

I don't think you got anything of true value yet. You have 2 opinions. Nether opinion was conclusive on roll. None of the conditions were the same. They were only opinions. Until you have facts and figures your only going to get opinions. Your not likely going to get any facts or figs they probably don't exist. But if you can get 50 plus opinions you would have a lot more information and could compare somewhat. Two opinions is nothing. None of the opinions came with facts only comments. Not that either opinion was bad or fraud. They were only opinions. In my opinion I don't think you got your answer. Maybe you should buy or rent one of each boat and form your own opinion.

BILL

Bill I agree opinions are not facts and they should always be viewed with caution especially when you don't have first hand knowledge of the writers experience or credibility. I did get the results of the stability tests for both vessels and the results are very clear and conclusive. The 60C has much better stability than the 53 which to me makes sense because it's a wider heavier boat. It also shows that the difference in stability between the enclosed bridge and the open bridge is to small to be a factor in real world use.

The stability test is basically a measurement of how much the boat wants to return to a level plane after being rolled and how much force it takes to roll it to a specific point. I would think that is the best way to determine just how much a boat will roll while drifting in a beam sea or running. I guess it's possible to find a sea condition were a narrower lighter boat may perform better than a wider heavier boat but it's got to be a rare ocurance.

 

[Trojan]

Bill I agree opinions are not facts and they should always be viewed with caution especially when you don't have first hand knowledge of the writers experience or credibility. I did get the results of the stability tests for both vessels and the results are very clear and conclusive. The 60C has much better stability than the 53 which to me makes sense because it's a wider heavier boat. It also shows that the difference in stability between the enclosed bridge and the open bridge is to small to be a factor in real world use.

The stability test is basically a measurement of how much the boat wants to return to a level plane after being rolled and how much force it takes to roll it to a specific point. I would think that is the best way to determine just how much a boat will roll while drifting in a beam sea or running. I guess it's possible to find a sea condition were a narrower lighter boat may perform better than a wider heavier boat but it's got to be a rare ocurance.[/QUOTEI

I don't have ether boat, Just a 43DC, but I do agree with the info you presented. Any time you have a wider boat the wide boat should win. Width is the biggest factor and keel depth is the next. I don't believe that length means anything. The width tries to keep the boat level and the keel tries to keep the boat upright. Of course that's my opinion. Skinny boats work best in ruff water by entering the wave. Wide boats tend to ride on top.


BILL

 

[nyrussell]

Why is everyone so concerned about rolling? We all know that if you let the seas hit you broadside, your boat will roll. Steer your course accordingly and zig-zag if necessary. If you lose power for whatever reason, deploy a sea anchor. Cheeezzz do we have to invite a few sail boaters here to instruct us.
Now all you children go to your rooms....no dinner for you tonight.

Walt

Damn, I wanted bbq baby back ribs!!!! waaaaaa

 

[rsmith]

Bill I agree opinions are not facts and they should always be viewed with caution especially when you don't have first hand knowledge of the writers experience or credibility. I did get the results of the stability tests for both vessels and the results are very clear and conclusive. The 60C has much better stability than the 53 which to me makes sense because it's a wider heavier boat. It also shows that the difference in stability between the enclosed bridge and the open bridge is to small to be a factor in real world use.

The stability test is basically a measurement of how much the boat wants to return to a level plane after being rolled and how much force it takes to roll it to a specific point. I would think that is the best way to determine just how much a boat will roll while drifting in a beam sea or running. I guess it's possible to find a sea condition were a narrower lighter boat may perform better than a wider heavier boat but it's got to be a rare ocurance.

If you have the reports publish them. Hatteras says they only release design data like that under court order due to liability reasons. Also who exactly did get these reports from? As I understand if you actualy got this info it is a violation of company policy and that person will be in major trouble with the legal dept.

 

[rsmith]

Maybe we should only accept information as being credible from people that actually own the specific model in question? There are enough members on this forum that can give a good idea on how a model boat handles, etc.

As far as engines go, people with experience with specific engines (ie. Detroit Diesel, Catepillar, MTU, etc.) may comment based on their experience.

As an owner of a 1980 60' EB Sportfish (non-stablized), we've already been hit hard enough in this economy, so we don't need people bashing each other and our beautiful vintage Hatteri. You get a few people Googling these models and you'll kill any market for some seller out there. It's up to their brokers and their pocketbooks to determine how much they want to sell their boats for. Each person uses their boat differently. We are not commercial fishermen, otherwise we would have a trawler and drag a net off the transom. We are sportfishermen. We can pick and choose when we want to go fishing. As far as being an enclosed flybridge, that's what they make all those nifty new cameras for so that you can still see what's going on down in the cockpit as well as aft of the transom. Handling the boat from inside or the aft deck of the flybridge is no worse than cockpit controls where you have the whole house in front of you as an obstruction.

Just cut it out already and delete this thread. It's abusive to us owners.

OK OK THE 60 CLOSED BRIDGE IS THE MOST PERFECT BOAT HATTERAS EVER MADE! NOW THE REAL ONES WHO ARE KILLING THE VALUES OF THESE BOATS THAT WE ALL LOVE ARE THE THUGS WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING WASHINGTON SINCE 2006. GET RID OF PELOSI, REID AND OBAMA AND YOUR BOAT MIGHT BE WORTH SOMETHING AGAIN.

 

[nyrussell]

OK OK THE 60 CLOSED BRIDGE IS THE MOST PERFECT BOAT HATTERAS EVER MADE! NOW THE REAL ONES WHO ARE KILLING THE VALUES OF THESE BOATS THAT WE ALL LOVE ARE THE THUGS WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING WASHINGTON SINCE 2006. GET RID OF PELOSI, REID AND OBAMA AND YOUR BOAT MIGHT BE WORTH SOMETHING AGAIN.

Would the moderators shit this down now please

 

[rsmith]

OK OK THE 60 CLOSED BRIDGE IS THE MOST PERFECT BOAT HATTERAS EVER MADE! NOW THE REAL ONES WHO ARE KILLING THE VALUES OF THESE BOATS THAT WE ALL LOVE ARE THE THUGS WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING WASHINGTON SINCE 2006. GET RID OF PELOSI, REID AND OBAMA AND YOUR BOAT MIGHT BE WORTH SOMETHING AGAIN.

" It's up to their brokers and their pocketbooks to determine how much they want to sell their boats for"
ARE YOU KIDDING? I WANT TO SELL MY BOAT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS DO YOU THINK I CAN GET IT? YOU DON'T THINK THE MARKETPLACE AND THE BUYER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? YEAH I'M PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS SITE CAN READ.

 

[rsmith]

Would the moderators shit this down now please

WHY IS IT PEOPLE CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH? THIS IS THE TYPICAL RESPONSE TO SHUT PEOPLE UP.I AM THE ONE WHO HAS BORNE THE BRUNT OF PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MY EXPERIENCE AND CREDIBILITY.

 

[nor'easter]

Not really truth, it really is your opinion based on your experience.
I have been interested and reading as I would like to step up to a bigger hatt at some point. Your comments are opinions, and not facts.

WHY IS IT PEOPLE CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH? THIS IS THE TYPICAL RESPONSE TO SHUT PEOPLE UP.I AM THE ONE WHO HAS BORNE THE BRUNT OF PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MY EXPERIENCE AND CREDIBILITY.

 

[nyrussell]

LOL. I am interested in these boats as well. However the "yelling" etc detracts from the inherent opinion