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Time To Take A Stand

In the real world there is one boss and a shop full of people.

"What is a strike, Alex?"

You're owed your wages. BY LAW you do not have to accept a credit instrument - you may demand legal tender. So can everyone else in your shop.
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Right here.

I'm a bit "vote with your dollars" fan, but what business person, or individual for that matter, in this economy, can afford to simply refuse any form of payment that isn't drawn upon their choice of financial institution?

I can choose not to open accounts with these banks, I can encourage customers to pay cash for transactions in a number of ways, but I can't tell them I won't take their check because it's drawn on a bank I don't approve of, and survive.

I guess what I'm saying is I can take my business wherever I want, but to be a successful businessman, or even to survive in business, I can't tell you where to take yours.
 
Then you consent to what has been and is being done Ed.

The people have the power.
The people have the ability to use it.

Choosing to be abused changes the event that transpires from a criminal assault to masochism.

That's the choice, and then there is the stark reality - the path we are on will lead to another crash, this one worse than the last. Bad enough to cut off the government's borrowing capacity. Bad enough to threaten the government's survival, and possibly provoke a war. A real war, not the pipsqueak nonsense over in Afghanistan or Iraq.

These events were not accidents - they were willful and intentional acts. In 2004 The FBI warned of pernicious and outrageous mortgage fraud. By the middle of 2006 there were articles documenting that only one in ten applicants for 'stated income' loans actually made the money they claimed. This trash was put into securities and sold without disclosing to the buyers that the entire process to that point was laced with fraud.

In the end it comes down to a choice. We the people have the ability to put a stop to this. Right here, right now.

Or we can consent.

Which will it be?
 
That's exactly right. I've already stopped doing bussiness with large banks that took TARP money and I'm not buying a GM or Chrysler car anytime soon either. But I can't very well tell a customer that I won't acept his wire transfer because he deals with a bank I don't aprove of. These banks simply should have been left to fail instead of being bailed out so I'm certainly not going to buddy up with the group that used my money to do that.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE IS THAT MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA IS JUST IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA AND THE AVERAGE GUY DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE HAVE POWER BEYOND A VOTE LEARN WHAT'S GOING ON MAKE SURE IT'S ACURATE AND SPREAD IT AROUND. PRINT IT SPEAK IT DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO SPREAD THE WORD.

Brian
 
That's exactly right. I've already stopped doing bussiness with large banks that took TARP money and I'm not buying a GM or Chrysler car anytime soon either. But I can't very well tell a customer that I won't acept his wire transfer because he deals with a bank I don't aprove of. These banks simply should have been left to fail instead of being bailed out so I'm certainly not going to buddy up with the group that used my money to do that.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE IS THAT MOST OF THE NEWS MEDIA IS JUST IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA AND THE AVERAGE GUY DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE HAVE POWER BEYOND A VOTE LEARN WHAT'S GOING ON MAKE SURE IT'S ACURATE AND SPREAD IT AROUND. PRINT IT SPEAK IT DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO SPREAD THE WORD.

Brian

Well, this is pretty much what I'm trying to say, if not well. I can choose where I spend my own dollars, and what businesses I support, but I cannot choose the bank that my customers write their checks from, or who they choose to sponsor their VISA, without simply dying what is ultimately a meaningless death.

That is NOT consent, it's survival. What good is a quiet (financial), individual suicide to anyone? Perhaps if there were 72 virgins waiting for me.... Heck, even if I did have a few crates of gold buried in the back yard and could afford to tell clients their money wasn't good here because of the bank their check is drawn upon, it wouldn't change a thing. It takes numbers.

Discontent and organization is growing by the day. Just looking at what's happening in Mass. makes that clear, even if the guy doesn't ultimately win.

No individual is going to fix this by taking a stand that would result in having them labeled as a "kook", but as individuals, we have the power to set examples through our own choices, and to educate and influence the masses, or at least enough of the masses to actually make a difference.
 
Sorry, this is not even close to enough, but its a GOOD START.

Look, these banksters did not just make bad decisions. They ripped off the American Public to the tune of some $10 trillion all-in.

This is a PUNY piece of what they owe the people. They ought to be funding the ENTIRETY of the Health Care Bill.

And no, you don't have to have it cost-shifted to you. PULL YOUR BUSINESS and take it to a local bank or credit union.

This is "one of those" threads. Please do not give POTUS Clinton, Barney Frank, Dodd, or Reno any slack...under penalty of law and fines, they forced the banks to make known bad loans in the late 80's early -mid 90's. This process has a recent new name called "reverse red-lining". The mortgage bankers were quite happy to bundle these steaming piles and sell it to Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Then came the Credit Default Swaps so everyone could go CYA. So that bunch kicked it off, and the investment bankers early in this thread made their contributions.

Guess who got stuck...you, and we will continue to be stuck. Let's hope the American people remember this come Nov!!!!!!! Vote the so and so's out!
 
This is "one of those" threads. Please do not give POTUS Clinton, Barney Frank, Dodd, or Reno any slack...under penalty of law and fines, they forced the banks to make known bad loans in the late 80's early -mid 90's. This process has a recent new name called "reverse red-lining". The mortgage bankers were quite happy to bundle these steaming piles and sell it to Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Then came the Credit Default Swaps so everyone could go CYA. So that bunch kicked it off, and the investment bankers early in this thread made their contributions.

Guess who got stuck...you, and we will continue to be stuck. Let's hope the American people remember this come Nov!!!!!!! Vote the so and so's out!
Oh, it was all Clinton, Rubin and such? Really?

Who directed his justice department in 2004 to sue the states - for the purpose of stopping them from enforcing anti-predatory-lending laws?

This is NOT a partisan issue and for every "Democrat" abuse you can find I can cite a Republican one.

Don't be a tool of the RNC.

We will ONLY win when we force these institutions to either break up (e.g. reimpose Glass-Steagall) or we drive them into the ground through lack of business.
 
This is "one of those" threads. Please do not give POTUS Clinton, Barney Frank, Dodd, or Reno any slack...

Guess who got stuck...you, and we will continue to be stuck. Let's hope the American people remember this come Nov!!!!!!! Vote the so and so's out!
You seem to be forgetting about 8 years of doing more of the same. Don't forget about the initial bailout that we were told had to be done right away or else the world would come to an end. The one where the Republican presidential candidate stopped campaigning because this needed to be done right away.

They all are to blame, republicans and Democrats alike. We should come out and vote this Nov to get rid of all of them.
 
I don't much care about either party they both have they're problems and always have. But the last year is like nothing I've ever seen or ever want to see again. We're losing this country To back room deals favoritism and socialist ideology. I don't care what party they belong to we have to get rid of them.

Personally I'm done with discussions of ideology death panels or wether or not BO is a legal citizen. That stuff just goes round and round it can't be proven or dis proven and it convinces no one.

Spread the facts there are lots of them to work with and so many are un aware. THIS IS THE WAY TO CHANGE THE OPINIONS OF THINKING PEOPLE. FORGET ABOUT THE COOL AID DRINKERS THEY AREN'T IMPORTANT.


Brian
 
Here's some more for you



stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/01/14/a-little-company-praised-by-president-obama/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Flatest+%28Text+-+Latest+Headlines%29

Brian

This makes me want to barf. John Stossel is awesome ... what an asset to the Fox Business Network. Now, why we allow our politicians to unfairly dole our money out is beyond me. Let's not forget that former VP Cheney used to work for Halliburton and the Bush's wars were basically unfunded.

Again ... I say we throw them ALL out. The answer is less government. TEA PARTY
 
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing
 
Folks, pacifism isn't one of my traits, but we're pretty much screwed in this deal. We can bitch and moan all we want, but we're simply outnumbered. It's always been just a matter of time, but I'm afraid our time has come. If not now, it will be here very soon.

IMO the only way this country will get back on track is to do a total crash and burn followed by a rebuilding as only the strong will survive. Things just can't go on like this forever. This is not the America I wanted my son to grow up in.
 
Randy I think your wrong. The overwhelming majority of Americans Identify themselves as conservatives or center right. This catastrophe took place because Bush did a lot of dumb things and Mcain was not much of a candidate. The financial collapse made it a perfect storm for BO and people wanted something different. Convincing people with ideological arguments or theories that can't be proven is a waste of time. People like Mark Levine and Sean Hannity don't convince any thinking person of anything because they're obviously zealots and they don't always speak truthfully.

The way to sway thinking people is with facts not theory or ideology. Luckily for us this administration has become a factory for these very facts. USE THEM SPREAD THEM AROUND DON'T START AN ARGUMENT THAT MUST HAVE A WINNER AND LOSER JUST PRESENT THE FACTS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

Brian
 
I work in the banking industry and have seen a bunch of this coming for a while. No, it is not a party issue but Clinton did not help by some of their CRA mandates and the like. Fannie and Freddie both started taking on paper that should have never been underwritten in the first place. Once that made it "ok" most mortgage companies ran from there. I spent day after day looking at these mortgage companies and the garbage that was getting kicked back in the quality control process. Yes, a bunch of it was total garbage. I will admit that the republicans did a poor job of changing the regs to keep up with the flow of poor paper. I doubt that the dems would have done anything different at the time.

Now we are all in this big mess started by our own greed and lack of regulation. Taxing our way out of this will not work. Period.

Second of all, that kind of tax sends the wrong message. It says ok guys, you got in trouble, we lent you some money, you paid it back, we made a return on the investment and now we want to tax you for your mere existence. What the hell? The other thing that will happen is that if this goes through, they will come gunning at the community banks next. Other than make some bad acquisition and development loans, small banks really did not have much part in this whole mess. I can assure you of that. I have spent the bulk of the last year sorting through this credit mess on the community bank level. Once passed to the big guys, this will go down the line from there and yes, we will ALL pay.

No, I am not a huge fan of large banks. I think that they have their place but I prefer community banks. They have much better service at a tiny premium. That is where I bank. I don't shop at Walmart very much either but think that they should have the right to do their business legally just like the big banks.

A smarter way to do this would be to finish establishing a good regulatory process and then FINE the heck out of the offenders instead of just punishing everyone for guilt by association. If you just simply tax them all they will either figure out a way around this or pass it back. This has been proven time and again. Then we will be back to square one and all be out money.

The other screwy thing about this message is that at the same time, Obama is wanting to meet with these banks and have them start right back into the whole lending practice that started this whole mess in the first place. Talk about stupidity.

Randy is right, we first need to work through this mess. I can assure you that making more bad loans is not the answer. Bank want good business now. If you have the means of paying back debt and a good history, banks will line up all day long to lend you money. If you have that and can't borrow, you need to go to another bank.

This tax is a VERY bad message.
 
Hedgehog, the problem is that we DIDN'T fix it and they DIDN'T actually pay back anything with actual earnings. The fraudulent loans are still there and still uncovered - we just made legal accounting fraud (in March.)

This IS a fine.

Anyway, see the Ticker I posted - I've had it and am working on coordinating lawful citizen actions to put a stop to this.
 
i think i remember that window company story.if i remember right a smallcity/town was loseing a major employer during the height of the depresion panic and the window co. came in,reopend the plant, hired many people back began a green energy co. using stimulus mony , seamed a good thing to me, not all the news is really news , it s up to us to know the differance or our COUNTRY is the loser
 
Keep in mind that without any financial collapse at all if all the bank fraud and subsequent collapse never happened we would still have one hell of problem on our hands in some respects it might even be worse.

This administration is hell bent on spending every nickel they can then taxing us for it. That part of the problem has nothing at all to do with bank fraud. More than likely they would have spent even more and taken more of our liberties had they're been no financial collapse. If anything the desperate times have slowed them down a little.

So don't look to this administration to regulate or tax banks to do so would empower them further. They are just as a much and probably more of a threat than the banks. Seek only to strip them of power and marginalize them. IMHO they represent the greatest threat. More so than banks more so than Islamic extremists or anything else I can think of.


Brian
 
Here's a little hope http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/16/obama-stakes-prestige-high-stakes-race/

I'm guessing that some of the Dems would prefer this health care bill not pass but don't have the character to stand against it. Hopefully this will keep them from passing it before Tuesday. Then if the Repube wins in Mass they will have to go back to the drawing board and go for reconsilation. So keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 

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