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Having a weapon on board gives you more options.

The Bahamas has become a lot safer since the U. S. Coast Guard has been allowed to assist the Bahamas Defense Force in patrolling these waters. Back in the days of the drug runners (1970s) things were very different. It was scary.

A couple years back I was sitting across from our Bahamas Customs Agent while I was waiting to clear. He was busy sorting his transires, the documents he fills out listing the guns and ammunition carried aboard for each boat. Make, caliber, serial number and exact amount of ammunition are listed for each weapon in a special spot on the form. Even reading upside down I could see that virtually every boat's form was filled out for this, indicating that most were armed.

About 25 years ago some friends and I were bringing Fanfare back from the Bahamas to the U.S. We left Chub Cay that morning at 16 kts. A bit past Northwest Channel Light, on the shallow Bahama Banks, we suddenly slowed down even though both engines were running. I anchored and checked the stbd transmission. After some wrenching I found that it was something inside the transmission, and that I was not going to fix this out there. Up anchor, and head for Cat Cay. Autopilot put about 15 degrees of rudder angle in and we proceeded at about 8 kts. on one engine. This meant we would not reach Cat Cay until after midnight, but that is why we have running lights. All went well until about 10:30 pm when my friend said: "I see distress flares ahead." And there they were, far ahead. His next words were "You're not going over there, are you?" I replied, "We have to. This water is over our heads, someone could drown. Besides, we are only one engine away from distress ourselves." I flashed my spotlight at them to let them know we were coming and began our preparations. First I loaded both my 12 ga. pump shotguns. My friend said, "If you get close enough for anyone to jump aboard the first person I shoot is YOU." I think he meant it, too.

I was running the boat from the flying bridge. I had called the USCG on VHF, but nobody answered. Probably out of range. I told my friend we would stay about 50 ft. from the other boat. When we got about 100 yards from it I wanted him to illuminate them with our spotlight. This would let us see them and also blind them from seeing us. I told him to keep the big "One Mile Ray" light with its 500 watt Cinemascope projection bulb on them at all times. The boat made me very nervous. It was a white 35 ft cabin cruiser, no name on the stern or numbers, Spanish speaking crew, several males, no women. They were disabled and at anchor. Having poco Spanish, I told them I had taken their position and would send help, but could not tow them. They did not need food or water. A few hours later, off Cat, I tried to radio this, again with no answer. Early the next morning I contacted BASRA who said they would retrieve them. The possible reason for no radio response was that the night before a go-fast had run over several swimmers in Bimini Harbor injuring and killing several. Probably everyone had been exhausted and gone to bed after helicoptering out the injured.

The question is, would I have gone to assist without the shotguns? We surely couldn't outrun anyone on one engine. As it was, we did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. I must admit I was a little shaky unloading those guns in the dark.
 
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Here is an article while not specific where the editor of the Abaconian bemoans the increase of crime. I have seen articles in the past few years talking about the Haitian problem. Aparently large groups of Haitians have washed up in the Bahamas and are living in communes and off the land. Many have resorted to crime to survive. I can't find the article right now so I guess I'll be called a liar but about a year ago there was an article about a 18' tri hull boat that had robbed several Fla bound boats in the double breasted cay area.

http://www.theabaconian.com/2012/09/18/from-the-editors-desk-brothers-keeper/
 
Crime in land is one thing, again we re talking about crime on the water

Chris, none of the reports on the noonsite are from the Bahamas. Some of the islands mentioned have always had a crime issue, including boats. Especially st marten and the USVI. Puerto Rick too. The report from the grenadines is a little more surprising

Now does asking $25 a lobster qualify as robbery? That s what I just started negotiations a short while ago :)
 
1:00 an this morning a small boat idled up past my boat, circled back and started to come towards the transom where there a few rods in the gunwale rodholders. I turned on the lights and walked out back into the cockpit just in time to see them turn hard and floor it to get out of sight and range. I dont think they were scared by me. More possible the big piece of wood and metal in my hands. Even an air rifle can be intimidating. Especially if they cant see it well enough to knoe what it is.
 
Pascal: "Now does asking $25 a lobster qualify as robbery? That s what I just started negotiations a short while ago."

Aww, I feel your pain, NOT! <gg> You get no sympathy from me, in the sunshine and warm waters
with a lobster dinner on the way. Enjoy, and much success if still on the charter.

Chris
 
Crime in land is one thing, again we re talking about crime on the water

Chris, none of the reports on the noonsite are from the Bahamas. Some of the islands mentioned have always had a crime issue, including boats. Especially st marten and the USVI. Puerto Rick too. The report from the grenadines is a little more surprising

Now does asking $25 a lobster qualify as robbery? That s what I just started negotiations a short while ago :)

We aint talking about Iowa here most everything has to do with boats and water.
 
Blatantly, Did you stop and think that perhaps those poor souls were just not as fortunate as. Through no fault of their own, their ladder to the middle class didn't reach as high as yours. Perhaps a little compassion and understanding, and a willingness to share what you have with those less fortunate would have gone a long way toward peace and understanding. I'm calling Obama right now!
 
Blatantly, Did you stop and think that perhaps those poor souls were just not as fortunate as. Through no fault of their own, their ladder to the middle class didn't reach as high as yours. Perhaps a little compassion and understanding, and a willingness to share what you have with those less fortunate would have gone a long way toward peace and understanding. I'm calling Obama right now!

No need his boys just stole my ladder.
 
No need his boys just stole my ladder.

Thats all? My health insurance jumped 20% last year and it is projected to skyrocket this year again. Then the tax increase's.............

I saw a bunch of posts yesterday from a liberal blog. They are furious about the extra taxes they are having to pay! They thought it was only the rich. HA HA HA HA.
 
My favorite part is the extra 3.8% on on dividends, after raising cap gains it to 20%, then fmbo on the AMT for an effective 40% on rate. Then capping deductions.... My man in the White House
 
Thats all? My health insurance jumped 20% last year and it is projected to skyrocket this year again. Then the tax increase's.............

I saw a bunch of posts yesterday from a liberal blog. They are furious about the extra taxes they are having to pay! They thought it was only the rich. HA HA HA HA.

Hell it will not get better as long as robin and his boys from the hood are the leaning us out for their benefit benefit.
 
Seriously?

A man asks a direct and simple question about his personal protection on a website dedicated to Hatteras Yachts and 9 pages of personal hyperbole later, the discussion ends up a whine-fest about the President... again?

Enough already, I for one wish that SAMS would limit the political nonsense here. There are plenty of places on the net where those that feel a compulsion to bitch about politics can go be among their own.
 
Your right shawn. Personal security is not linked to crime and crime is not linked to violence. With All the new programs there should be no crime anyway. Im gonna get rid of my guns, leave the door unlocked and live like I did on long island.


In fear of being mugged or robbed AGAIN.
 
"A man asks a direct and simple question about his personal protection on a website dedicated to Hatteras Yachts and 9 pages of personal hyperbole later, the discussion ends up a whine-fest about the President... again? "

LOL :)

Yes, the thread train does sometimes get a bit off track but it appears that the train not only came off the track but somehow space-warped into an entirely different dimension. Must be some sort of Quantum Physics thing going on. :)
 
Then I must be the luckiest guy in the world. I grew up poor in NY City, have spent more than 3 decades on the water with well over 100,000 miles under my keel (thats right I said 100,000) in some of the most undeveloped locations in the world; including South America, the Guinea Coast of Africa and Indonesia and have never been afraid enough or felt I needed to wave a weapon about like some histrionic, over-developed child.

Then again the people who trained me, who remain among the people I respect most in this world, taught me not to take a weapon out lightly and certainly not to make some kind of bullshit macho point.
 
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Then I must be the luckiest guy in the world. I grew up poor in NY City, have spent more than 3 decades on the water with well over 100,000 miles under my keel (thats right I said 100,000) in some of the most undeveloped locations in the world; including South America, the Guinea Coast of Africa and Indonesia and have never been afraid enough or felt I needed to wave a weapon about like some histrionic, over-developed child.

Then again the people who trained me, who remain among the people I respect most in this world, taught me not to take a weapon out lightly and certainly not to make some kind of bullshit macho point.

To Quote Dirty Harry "your a legend in your own mind"
 
Nope, Mr. Smith. I'm just a regular guy who has worked hard, paid his dues, loves his family his country and his boats; who just has very little patience for immature people who act like a "half a tough guy" strutting around talking about how bad-ass they are with a firearm and quoting testosterone filled movie lines from their youth.

My point was however, given all the time and distance at sea, I find it odd and notable that so many people with much less water under the keel have had so many "experiences" and I have not.
 
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Then I must be the luckiest guy in the world. I grew up poor in NY City, have spent more than 3 decades on the water with well over 100,000 miles under my keel (thats right I said 100,000) in some of the most undeveloped locations in the world; including South America, the Guinea Coast of Africa and Indonesia and have never been afraid enough or felt I needed to wave a weapon about like some histrionic, over-developed child.

Then again the people who trained me, who remain among the people I respect most in this world, taught me not to take a weapon out lightly and certainly not to make some kind of bullshit macho point.

Were those miles on a big grey boat?
 
My point was however, given all the time and distance at sea, I find it odd and notable that so many people with much less water under the keel have had so many "experiences" and I have not.

The tone of this comment is arrogant and demeaning to anybody that does not possess 100,000 miles of water experience. Just because you never needed a tool for protection and don't feel you need one now, doesn't mean others are foolish for expressing their desire and exercising their right to have a tool for protection.

We each have our own thoughts and beliefs on how we should protect our family. You may have also driven 500,000 miles in your lifetime and never wore a seatbelt....does that mean I'm a macho moron for wearing mine?
 

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