HOF HIN's

[rsmith]

My Hobie Kayak has a HID on the bottom its done with one of those old type engraving guns.

 

[Boatsb]

Not true. A HIN plate on the transom is completely legal, as shown on these two that I just grabbed for you. 20 years apart and still legal. No these are not Hatteras. Hatt chooses to engrave them, but that is not required by law. Sorry!

HIN numbers must be engraved or permanently attached.

 

[ThirdHatt]

HIN numbers must be engraved or permanently attached.

"OR PERMANENTLY ATTACHED" was what I was referring to. Thank you Scott. I have seen far too many HIN plates attached to transoms over the years for engraving to be the only option required by law.

 

[Boatsb]

It's not the only option but most major manufacturers inset it in the mold. It's part of the gelcoat. Changing the way it was done could be a red flag for johnny Law.

 

[ThirdHatt]

It's not the only option but most major manufacturers inset it in the mold. It's part of the gelcoat. Changing the way it was done could be a red flag for johnny Law.

I personally agree that the gelcoat inset or engraving method is preferred, my point was just that there is indeed such a thing as a HIN plate, it is legal and engraving is not the only thing that is legal for any boats as our friend Randy had incorrectly stated.

Changing the way it's done on a particular boat would very well be a red flag for the law, but in YachtsmanBill's case it would be easy to show how the cockpit was added after the factory which covered his original markings. That is why I suggested to him that in his case having a HIN plate made with the correct HIN humber (as verified on the registration paperwork for his boat) and permanently affixing it to the transom would be a very plausible, easy and inexpensive option. I would think that having NO number on the transom of a 1973+ boat would cause more unwanted attention from the law.

Just down the dock from me is a 2009 Cabo with a HIN plate and a 2001 Viking with a HIN plate, both what I would consider to be major manufacturers and fairly recent builds so I don't see any issue with the legality of HIN plates or the lack of their use by major manufacturers.

 

[rsmith]

It's not the only option but most major manufacturers inset it in the mold. It's part of the gelcoat. Changing the way it was done could be a red flag for johnny Law.

Rivits permanent and screws not? I can hear John Q Law saying we'll let the judge decide that.LOL I kinda think given the experience level and the mentality of most of the cops as long as there is something there and it looks semi profesional and matches your paperwork it wouldnt be a problem. (and your not a wiseass like me)

 

[yachtsmanbill]

Hmmm... ws

3 years ago in Iuka Ms.

2 weeks ago in Mich City, In.
BTW thats a 1963 Roamer with a state issued HIN number

 

[Freeebird]

Not true. A HIN plate on the transom is completely legal, as shown on these two that I just grabbed for you. 20 years apart and still legal. No these are not Hatteras. Hatt chooses to engrave them, but that is not required by law. Sorry!

Sorry, the photo you posted below is not a HIN as defined by law in that it does not have the required 12 character identification.

Since you may have missed the first link I posted, maybe this one will help.

http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

As for your second example, I'm not quite sure what to make of that one given the "US" prefix. It has 12 digits, but the format is a bit odd. Do you know what kind of boat this is?

The whole point about HIN's (or so I thought) involved LE being concerned that our older Hatt's don't have them as prescribed in the regulations. If you are stopped by somebody who wasn't even born when these regs changed, it would be a good idea to be able to prove why your boat isn't required to have an HIN... unless of course you prefer to do that in court.

 

[tom5518]

As for your second example, I'm not quite sure what to make of that one given the "US" prefix. It has 12 digits, but the format is a bit odd. Do you know what kind of boat this is?

It's a Carver.

MIC: CDR Status: In Business
Company: GENMAR YACHT GROUP LLC Company Official: JEFF GUENTHER
Parent Company: GENMAR HOLDINGS Parent MIC:
Address: POB 1010, 790 MARKHAM DRIVE City: PULASKI
State: WI Zip: 541621010
Country: Phone: 9208227266
Fax: 9208221576 In Business: Monday, February 04, 1991
Out of Business: Date Modified: Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Type: Inboards, Cabin Cruisers
Inboards, Cabin Cruisers

Additional Address:
Comments: THOMPSON PURCHASED WOOD MFG CO (RNG). CARVER HAS A NEW FACTORY IN WILMINGTON N.C., PARTNER ARNOLD, PHIL/PRES. OF CO IN PULASKI, WI IS ED VEITH MFG REPORTS OOB-SEE (CRB)/CH 11 AS OF 04/91/PULASKI 4148223214 1402 MORGAN CIRCLE TUSTIN CA 92680; CG-5093 MSO LA/LB 02/91/CALLED 12/93, HAVE NOT BUILT BOATS SINCE 91. FACILITY IS OPEN ONLY TO SERVICE AND WARRANTY WORK; WAS A CARVER LINE SUBSIDIARY. 950905 ADDRESS CHANGE PER CALL FROM KEN BONN, WAS 1830 CARVER DRIVE, ROCKY POINT NC 28457. 990726 CALIFORNIAN YACHTS; 101 SHIPYARD WAY; CABIN C; NEWPORT BEACH CA 92663; (949)675-4117. 101706 (RDH): CHANGED PRIOR POC TOM BONNETTE TO NEW POC JEFF GUENTHER.CARVER BOAT CORPORATION HAS CHANGED ITS NAME TO GENMAR YACHT GROUP LLC AND THE MODEL CARVER WILL CONTINUE TO BE MANUFACTURED.

http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_detail.aspx?id=CDR

 

[tom5518]

Sorry, the photo you posted below is not a HIN as defined by law in that it does not have the required 12 character identification.

MIC: WKY Status: Out of Business
Company: CONFLUENCE WATERSPORTS Company Official: WILLIAM QUIGLEY
Parent Company: Parent MIC:
Address: 111 KAYAKER WAY City: EASLEY
State: SC Zip: 29642
Country: Phone: 8648597518
Fax: In Business: Tuesday, October 27, 1987
Out of Business: Friday, August 03, 2007 Date Modified: Wednesday, June 11, 2008
Type: Canoes, Kayaks
Sailboats, (with or without engine) Catamarans, Trimarans

Additional Address: OWNER: ANDY ZIMMERMAN
Comments: PRODUCES SOME KAYAKS DESIGNED BY (NWG) NORTHWEST KAYAKS. BSC 72 MAILING; 1310 STARR DR 91101. 950830 ADDRESS CHANGE PER CALL FROM MANUF; WAS 241 WOODBINE STREET, HIGH POINT; AREA CODE CHANGE FROM (919) TO (910); SENT NEW MANUF PKG. TomAllan-RNI-EMAIL-010917-CanoeMFG PKG MAILED-010918. 010920 ADDRESS CHANGE PER RNI; WAS 1110 SURRETT DR, HIGH POINT NC 27260. 8/3/2007 OOB PER PPG. CONFLUENCE WATERSPORTS IS ACTIVE UNDER THE MIC WEM.

http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_detail.aspx?id=WKY

 

[Freeebird]

The point wasn't whether or not the boats could be identified by the numbers on the photo. I give up.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

What was the point? Oh, I think I have the answer: To argue with ThirdHatt.

 

[Freeebird]

If you haven't gotten the point by now, it's never going to happen. Try reading it again if you're still confused. I guess it's time to utilize the ignore feature on here again.

 

[tom5518]

As for your second example, I'm not quite sure what to make of that one given the "US" prefix. It has 12 digits, but the format is a bit odd. Do you know what kind of boat this is?

The whole point about HIN's (or so I thought) involved LE being concerned that our older Hatt's don't have them as prescribed in the regulations. If you are stopped by somebody who wasn't even born when these regs changed, it would be a good idea to be able to prove why your boat isn't required to have an HIN... unless of course you prefer to do that in court.

The point wasn't whether or not the boats could be identified by the numbers on the photo. I give up.

If you haven't gotten the point by now, it's never going to happen. Try reading it again if you're still confused. I guess it's time to utilize the ignore feature on here again.

I've read it again (Freeebird's "point")and am still confused, they must be somewhat legitimate HIN's if you can look up the manufacturer in the link I provided. That was my point and I don't appreciate the snippy reply...

 

[captddis]

CDR is Carver

 

[dan & mary 43dc]

Ours: HAT43DC501 (1979)

 

[ThirdHatt]

I've read it again and am still confused, they must be somewhat legitimate HIN's if you can look up the manufacturer in the link I provided. That was my point and I don't appreciate the snippy reply...

Tom, unfortunately you'll just have to get used to it like the rest of us have because that's just the way he is. He has been run off of here (and other sites) more than once but he always manages to come back, often under a different screen name (notice the original poster of this thread is actually Randy under someone else's name that he took over). Time has proven that we simply cannot get rid of him. He will argue any point he can, and then change up the wording to argue a different point when he is proven wrong. Agruing with us and anyone he can get to pay attention to him is sport to him because he has nothing better to do with his time.

I posted these pics of HIN plates simply to disprove his statement of there being no such thing as a HIN plate and that all HIN's by law must be engraved on any boats transom after 1972. I am in a large marina right now and could post pics of different HIN plates until I am blue in the face, but Randy will argue that they must all be illegals. He says the '86 Viking is illegal and somehow not a HIN plate because there is no space between the 12-character HIN and the CV at the end which simply shows the model as a convertible. What a joke.

The fact remains that HIN plates do exist, they are used by many manufacturers for decades and they are perfectly legal, PERIOD.

 

[tom5518]

Tom, unfortunately you'll just have to get used to it like the rest of us have because that's just the way he is. He has been run off of here (and other sites) more than once but he always manages to come back, often under a different screen name (notice the original poster of this thread is actually Randy under someone else's name that he took over). Time has proven that we simply cannot get rid of him. He will argue any point he can, and then change up the wording to argue a different point when he is proven wrong. Agruing with us and anyone he can get to pay attention to him is sport to him because he has nothing better to do with his time.

I posted these pics of HIN plates simply to disprove his statement of there being no such thing as a HIN plate and that all HIN's by law must be engraved on any boats transom after 1972. I am in a large marina right now and could post pics of different HIN plates until I am blue in the face, but Randy will argue that they must all be illegals. He says the '86 Viking is illegal and somehow not a HIN plate because there is no space between the 12-character HIN and the CV at the end which simply shows the model as a convertible. What a joke.

The fact remains that HIN plates do exist, they are used by many manufacturers for decades and they are perfectly legal, PERIOD.

I'm glad you mentioned the one HIN is from a Viking, I read the V as a W and had the wrong manufacturer in my first reply. Maybe it's time to get my eyes checked...

It should be:

MIC: VKY Status: In Business
Company: VIKING YACHT CO Company Official: LONNI RUTT
Parent Company: Parent MIC:
Address: ROUTE 9 City: NEW GRETNA
State: NJ Zip: 08224
Country: Phone: 6092966000
Fax: 6092963956 In Business: Wednesday, July 12, 1972
Out of Business: Date Modified: Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Type: Inboards, Cabin Cruisers


Additional Address:
Comments: 2/89 2ND PLANT AT ST PETERSBURG FL. VIKING PURCHASED GULFSTAR (GFS) 11/87. 04/14/02 UPDATE PER RNI

There I go missing the point again...

 

[Scotte28516]

When we bought our boat, the surveyor(30 yrs exp.) was unable to locate an HIN# anywhere on it. He has done many Hatts, but couldn't find ours. A few people from the shipyard came and checked everywhere, but no luck. The surveyor called up the CG and they came to the shipyard to take a look. They looked all over and also could fine nothing nor where one had been covered or removed. They suggested that I call Hatteras, who in turn told me to call Sam's Marine. Finally an answer! I was told by both Hatteras and Sams that not all Hatts had the numbers on them and that there were a few years in the mid to later 70's where none of them were done to any boats. I have NO HIN# anywhere on my boat that can be found by anyone.

My HIN# is HATAT 4120977. Deciphered it is as follows: HAT(Hatteras)AT(up galley)412(hull#)0977(month and year of build)

1977 46C

 

[Freeebird]

I've read it again (Freeebird's "point")and am still confused, they must be somewhat legitimate HIN's if you can look up the manufacturer in the link I provided. That was my point and I don't appreciate the snippy reply...

There was no "snippy reply" directed at you.

Jesus folks, the whole point about a HIN was about a member being questioned by LE for not having one on his pre-'72 Hatt. I posted two links explaining HIN's as defined AND questioned by LE in this instance. Why somebody wanted to make it into something else is beyond me.