HOF HIN's

[captddis]

Ive got 7 yes 7 different LE agencys that I'm exposed to from the time I leave the dock in Vero Beach until I get to the Inlet at Ft Pierce a distance of 6 mi. Each one of the agencys have to justify their existance. I've been stopped 6 times so far this year. When they dont see the HIN the hand goes on the gun and they want to know if the boat is stolen. I even have a warning from one clown that the boat was ilegally numbered because it has no HIN.
Back in the zero tolerance 80's there was a 53 c called the Libra 111 owned by Bob Roscioli (who later on built the large donzi's) conficated in Ft Lauderdale by the Broward Sheriffs office because the HIN#'s were filled in when the boat was painted.One of the boating mags had pics of members of the BSO and their familys partying on the boat while Roscioli stood on the dock and watched. This was the same period where they confiscated a mega yacht because one of the crew members had one joint on him. The way the confiscation laws worked you vehicle could be confiscated if you were charged with w felony (not on conviction) so there were a lot of inocent people who lost cars boats aircraft.All you needed was some cop that didnt like you or wanted your rig. Didnt have to be drug related. I read of one guy that lost his Benz because he bounced a check.(3rd degree felony in Fla).

Yes I remember that nonsense. Unfortunately it still occours. Show up at a ramp with an undersized fish and see what happens. I know of someone who had his boat and dually siezed, no doubt some donut eater has it now.

The punishment should fit the crime. An infraction should not be cause to seize 250,000 worthy of property.

 

[Boatsb]

The HIN is not a plate on the Hatts. It was molded into the gelcoat with a tape that had the negative of the HIN stuck to the mold. Making it over again would be a bit tough and may look like an attempt to change the numbers. That would probably anger bubba more.

 

[Freeebird]

Yep, there sure is as Tom pointed out. As I pointed out, it was easier to decipher on 1972 and older boats.

Whenever the term HIN got coined is irrelevant because HIN means Hull Identification Number and does not imply only post-1972 in any way.

Hate to burst your pointing out bubble, but you didn't point out anything in terms of a two number code in a HIN. Prior to '72, there was no such thing as a HIN per se, so that's why the term/acronym "HIN" was relevant as well as the date of its inception.

There was never any question about the pre-'72 Hatts being able to be identified by their production number as it did include the model of the boat. Maybe you just got confused given Sparky started this thread. Like me, he has one of each.

 

[bigbill]

byron, what is the "hatteras south" that you mention in one of your posts above? was it a repair yard? bigbill

 

[ThirdHatt]

There is nothing to indicate which model boat it is.

Really?

 

[Freeebird]

Hey Willy, it's easy to see why you might be given grief as your documents will show an HIN as a post-'72 boat. Never thought about what happens when folks have cockpits added to their boats.

There was a boat dealer in Knoxvlle who go caught alterning HIN's on boats a few years ago. Seems they were making them a bit newer than they actually were even though they were new, untitled/unregistered boats. Don't remember the outcome other than them not being in the boat business any more.

 

[ThirdHatt]

My Three Hatt History:

1969 36C - #36C331 (Convertible)

1967 44TC - #41TC55 (TwinCabin)

1972 58YF - #58YF324 (YachtFish)

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Randy, Does this not qualify for pointing out a letter code for model numbers? Maybe you just missed that like you missed the codes for the post 1972 boats.

 

[Freeebird]

Really?

Unlike "some" members, I have no problem acknowledging I was wrong. See my reply to the member who actually offered that information.

 

[Freeebird]

My Three Hatt History:

1969 36C - #36C331 (Convertible)

1967 44TC - #41TC55 (TwinCabin)

1972 58YF - #58YF324 (YachtFish)

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Randy, Does this not qualify for pointing out a letter code for model numbers? Maybe you just missed that like you missed the codes for the post 1972 boats.

Uh, no... again, the conversation had turned to HIN's at that point. Your older boats had no such number, and it's painfully obvious that the model is part of the old number system.

 

[ThirdHatt]

byron, what is the "hatteras south" that you mention in one of your posts above? was it a repair yard? bigbill

Bill,

On several occasions in the past YachtsmanBill posted that his boat had the cockpit added at "Hatteras South" by a previous owner. It was just a term to describe one of the big yards that did many of the extensions on Hatt's in the 1990's when that was a popular upgrade.

 

[ThirdHatt]

Uh, no... again, the conversation had turned to HIN's at that point. Your older boats had no such number, and it's painfully obvious that the model is part of the old number system.

C'mon now Randy, are you actually saying that for some reason a number like my old 1967 hull # 41TC55 is NOT a hull identification number just because it was before 1972?

 

[Freeebird]

I would have thought that Hatteras South would have removed the HIN plate and replaced it on the new transom. That surprises me. If I were you Bill, I'd just stop by a local sign place and have them make you up a HIN plate for you to place on the transom to avoid any future run ins with the long arm of the law!

OOPS!!! I missed this one earlier. Like Scott said, there is no such thing as a HIN plate on a Hatteras or on ANY boat for that matter. The HIN must be engraved into the fiberglass.

 

[Freeebird]

C'mon now Randy, are you actually saying that for some reason a number like my old 1967 hull # 41TC55 is NOT a hull identification number just because it was before 1972?

Nope, I'm not saying that at all. All I am saying is nobody ever used the term HIN prior to 1972 when it was invented.

 

[ThirdHatt]

Nope, I'm not saying that at all. All I am saying is nobody ever used the term HIN prior to 1972 when it was invented.

Whatever, it does not matter who or when the term is or was used. It is the norm. Just like VIN for cars, before the 17-digit standard it was not called a VIN, but the old cars still had one, it just wasn't called that. Who cares>

So, is that painfully obvious just like the model codes on the brochures listing??

 

[Freeebird]

It's OK Byron, you were only two years old when these changes took place. Most of us were already running our own boats by then, with and without HIN's.

 

[ThirdHatt]

So true! I was only two. Forgive me for being so young. I have managed to buy (and sell) three Hatt's by the time I made 40 though.

 

[Freeebird]

Do you really want to go there?

As for the topic of importance, if LE is giving you grief for having no HIN on your boat, the history of such a number is VERY important. That's why I suggested carrying this information in areas where LE is prone to question the lack of a HIN. Some of these guys are still wet behind the ears too.

 

[rsmith]

OOPS!!! I missed this one earlier. Like Scott said, there is no such thing as a HIN plate on a Hatteras or on ANY boat for that matter. The HIN must be engraved into the fiberglass.

Actualy a lot of newer boats have a metal plate rivited to the transom. My '73 13' whaler has the # cast in the transom but my '91 13 whaler has a metal plate that is so corroded you cant read it.
On the getting stopped front. Most of the waterborne cops are young kids that realy dont know the laws.they are by the book types that arnt interested in explanations. their job is to generate revenues for the state. you have to be really diplomatic about it or you'll get the cuffs. In Fla if you get 2 violations you get your boating privilages suspended for a year.

 

[ThirdHatt]

OOPS!!! I missed this one earlier. Like Scott said, there is no such thing as a HIN plate on a Hatteras or on ANY boat for that matter. The HIN must be engraved into the fiberglass.

Not true. A HIN plate on the transom is completely legal, as shown on these two that I just grabbed for you. 20 years apart and still legal. No these are not Hatteras. Hatt chooses to engrave them, but that is not required by law. Sorry!

 

[ThirdHatt]

Do you really want to go there?
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No, you are right. I don't want to mess with you about not being able to sell either of your Hatt's for several years. I continue to wish you the best of luck.