Hatteras Resale Prices

[krush]

Who makes them these days? Where do I start... ocean Alexander, ferreti, azmutt, sunseeker, choy lee, hargrave, outer reef, aicon, horizon, hatteras, absolute, princess, neptunus, grand Alaskan,... the list goes on, pretty much the vast majority of yacht builders.

All of those are not what I would call "flush deck". They are raised pilothouse.

Again, who makes a current flush deck? Every modern example has a raised pilot house.

 

[Boatsb]

https://www.yachtsinternational.com/builders/hargrave-76-flush-deck-motor-yacht

http://www.boattest.com/review/hatteras/2039_60-motor-yacht

I guess they are making flush deck motoryachts

 

[RonNP]

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I know the conventional wisdom is the Gen X'ers and Millennial's are minimalists, but I think that is because their entire post graduate lives have been in an economy that doesn't allow hedonism in any form. Let them experience 5% growth for a few years and they'll be plenty interested in toys and trinkets including boats. Maybe those overprices center consoles, or perhaps a something more family friendly like a HAT. Oh, and you can keep your doctor....[/QUOTE]

I'm a Gen Xer and and love my 63' Hatteras. Every friend I bring on board wants one just like it although most won't buy one because of kids, mortgages here on California homes or whatever else debt they have.

I did have one Gen Xer buddy of mine and his wife on board this weekend. They have just sold their home in Southern California and are looking at buying a Hatteras after being on mine. Not all of us younger guys are unfamiliar with a tool box but granted there are quite a few that couldn't begin to wrench on anything.

 

[krush]

I guess they are making flush deck motoryachts

Those are both larger than 53'. On the Hargrave, the swim platform is nearly the size of a cockpit on smaller boats.

 

[Pascal]

All of those are not what I would call "flush deck". They are raised pilothouse.

Again, who makes a current flush deck? Every modern example has a raised pilot house.

No..maybe you don't see too many larger boats in your neck of the wood but look at the list of manufacturers I posted, most of their boats have the saloon, side decks and aft deck on the same level, alon with the galley/lower pilothouse on the same level. Look at the 60 and 70 hats... look at most the recent Hargraves. Obviously once you get around 90 you will see raised pilot house with the pilot house up on a half level between the main deck and the FB to save room on the main deck but even the new th main deck is all on one level. You can walk thru the saloon to the lower helm and galley out the door along the side deck without encountering any steps.

 

[krush]

http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochures/63RP/63RPArchives.htm

 

[Pascal]

Those are both larger than 53'. On the Hargrave, the swim platform is nearly the size of a cockpit on smaller boats.

That s because it is very difficult to design a flush deck under 60'. Ole jack Hargrave did it and killed those old fashioned saloon down motoryachts like Chris craft, Bertram and even the hatt 58 TC

And nowadays the market has done up size... you see it down here.. 70 to 90 footers are common where as 20 years ago a 60 footer was huge. Now it's nothing. The 84 footer I run is usually the small kid on the block. All depends where you are located. On the Chesie, besides a few larger yachts that come thru, most local boats are smaller.

 

[Pascal]

http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochures/63RP/63RPArchives.htm

The 63 is an old design... almost 20 years old.

 

[krush]

That s because it is very difficult to design a flush deck under 60'. Ole jack Hargrave did it and killed those old fashioned saloon down motoryachts like Chris craft, Bertram and even the hatt 58 TC

And nowadays the market has done up size... you see it down here.. 70 to 90 footers are common where as 20 years ago a 60 footer was huge. Now it's nothing. The 84 footer I run is usually the small kid on the block. All depends where you are located. On the Chesie, besides a few larger yachts that come thru, most local boats are smaller.

This thread is about boats in the 35-60 foot range for $300k.

 

[Freeebird]

I am most interested in what Nightingale will close at, not that my boat is as nice, it isn't. But comps are comps and a rising tide lifts all boats. I'm not selling, regardless of what Freeebird says I should do , so the matter is merely curiosity.

What am I not understanding?

mark

What you're not understanding is, my offer of $75K for your boat keeps you from having to spend $300K to make it comparable to Nightingale so you can sell it for $250K. Besides that, look at all the typing it would have saved at your advanced age. Life is short, man, take the money and... uh, walk really fast.

Now then, see what happens when you involve me in your threads?

 

[Pascal]

This thread is about boats in the 35-60 foot range for $300k.

Well you re never gong to see a sub 50 flushdeck... obviously. It like asking for an outboard powered 60' MY... physically impossible.

This is why, once again, the Hargrave design was so ground breaking. Nobody had done a 50 something flush deck before And my replies were in response to your comments about the flush deck design being obsolete and "not good"

 

[Chasemmc]

Randy, I was told that u can't drive anything with 2 engines.So you'll just have to wait until I fry one. Shouldn't be too long.

 

[Holiday]

This thread sums up my dilemma perfectly. I started loving Hatteras yachts when I was much younger and they were still new boats instead of classics. My wife and I bought our first little outboard motorboat 40 years ago before we bought our first house. We have lived on Lake Lanier for the past 27 years and have always had at least one “lake” boat at our dock and sometimes two boats. We trucked a 37 Sea Ray to Savannah in 1999 to begin our coastal boating experience and loved it. We bought a 60 ft slip in Harbour Town Hilton Head 13 years ago after we purchased our 3370 Pursuit. We have traveled the ICW to Fort Lauderdale in that Pursuit numerous times. It was ideal for speed during the day but not very good for accommodations at the dock once we reached our destination. We always considered the Pursuit a stepping stone boat until we bought the big Hatteras.

We sold the Pursuit 2 years ago and have been scouting our options for the Hatteras ever since. There are a few more things I want to get lined up regarding time and money before I make that jump to a bigger boat. One thing I have learned in all my boating experience is that no one ever owns a boat. The boat owns you. But for all the reasons identified in this thread, I can’t 100% commit in my mind what I would buy right now if I was ready to buy right now. It is really frustrating.

Boy, do we want a Hatteras. We have always loved the Hargrave motor yachts with the back porch and the pilot house. And then the 50, 52, and 55 sportfish are a lot of boat too, and they have better speed when you need it and better boarding access at the dock. We don’t fish. We would be cruising in a sportfish. The motor yacht or a sportfish would work for us and we sway back and forth on the reasons why we prefer one or the other. We have owned 17 gas boats but never a diesel and nothing over 37 feet except an old steel bottom houseboat.

I’ve studied this forum and others for years. The old Detroits don’t really scare me expense wise, as long as I could find someone to work on them and still get parts. We know we do not want another “cave boat.” Any ladder to the bridge is not ideal but we’ve been out on sportfisherman and we can handle the ladder and so can our grandchildren. We would like an air conditioned helm, either an enclosed bridge or a lower station/pilot house. I’ve plugged in search criteria into Yachtworld for all brands >2000 and under $1,000,000 and nothing that I consider real quality pops up. I won’t spend $1,000,000 on the next boat anyway. I’m just frustrated and filtering for anything that I might lust for.

Like most people on this forum, I believe a 30 yo Hatteras is better than a new anything else. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Then one has to consider his exit strategy. One day someone, probably our children, will have to sell the boat after we’re gone. If it is a tender market now, what will it be like at that time? I also love the old Huckins yachts and would love to have one. They are really classics at 60 years old. Their composite wood hulls require a very special adoration to buy one. But you don’t see many sales of those old beauties. That is a shame.

 

[saltshaker]

Randy, I was told that u can't drive anything with 2 engines.So you'll just have to wait until I fry one. Shouldn't be too long.

Randy can do that for you! I couldn't resist

 

[Freeebird]

Randy, I was told that u can't drive anything with 2 engines.So you'll just have to wait until I fry one. Shouldn't be too long.

Yeah, and you were shown I can dock one with NO engines. I'm trying to remember why it was I had to do that. Hmmm...

 

[ronparise]

Krush your too young to understand.People buy boats to sit on the aft deck and watch the sun go down. Your thinking of using a boat for fishing, watersports, swimming, kayaking, diving and other active leisure time activities.Thats not what motoryachts were made for.

Exactly right. I have a couple of engines in my boat but I never use them. I am however shopping for new furniture for the aft deckThis is my view

 

[bobk]

A 1980's hatteras motoryacht looks old. It's outdated styling to most people. However, the convertibles kind of stay classic. When I say my boat is 50 years old, people think I'm lying!

There were two different styles of MY's in the early 80's. The 53 classic is one of those timeless beauties as well as the 48 Series I like mine.... These sure beat chlorox bottles.



These have a spacious interior


And a huge enclosed aft deck.



And I'll toss this one in as illustrative of the quality, 4 shaft bearings for a 48 footer. Opps, I can only add three files per post.

Bobk

 

[jim rosenthal]

They look like boats. Nice boats. I don't know what to call the modern ones, but definitely I don't want to own one.

 

[Pete]

This thread just beats one horse to death after another, and I am as guilty as anyone. So hear goes my opinion on the cockpit versus swim platform discussion.

Just for credentials, I was once the proud owner of a Hatteras 44 tricabin flush deck motoryacht and later in life helped a friend relocate a Hatteras 56 motoryacht as crew. So, this is not theory, my opinion is based on personal experience.

To set the scene, go back a couple of posts to BobK's aft deck picture. I would speculate that the setup is almost identical to 95% of flush deck motor yacht aft decks. It is set up for living space, and like the salon, furniture lines the interior edges of the space. Great for most everything except handling aft lines when docking and departing from a dock. And yes, my 56 experience was similar, so aft lines were handled on the swim platform.

So step one on docking is down a straight up ladder to the swim platform. Hold on with two hands and watch your step. Before going down wrestle with the furniture so you can pull the lines through once on the swim platform. You have one hand to work with as docking continues with the boat surging one way after the other, with non friendly propellers spinning just under your feet.

Enough, I am sure you get the picture. A swim platform is no substitute for a cockpit when actively docking and handling aft lines. Once docked or at anchor they serve a similar purpose, but a cockpit with a transom door is far superior to the swim platform accessed down the straight up ladder after dodging the aft deck furniture.

All boats are a compromise, and the selection of one style versus another has to be made by each owner. Flush deck aft decks are great for living space, entertainment, a perfect elevated panoramic view second salon. But it is a poor substitute for active aft line handling and dock/dinky access.

You pay your money and take your choice.

Pete

 

[bobk]

Pete, I have a large extended swim platform too. I have never and will never use it for docking because as you said it is too dangerous. Spring and or bow lines go on first then step off to tie in the stern. For undocking, we prepare breast lines just before departure and handle the boat with them. I've done this for 11 years, almost 4000 hours on the Hatteras and nearly the same on a single screw 41' trawler with a similar configuration before the Hatt. The one place I would have liked the cockpit was when line handeling in large locks with lines passed down from above. But it was doable at age 75 using other methods, just more strenuous than I wanted.

Everything is a trade off on a boat. Some want the cockpit, others want the living space. As one who used to spend 6-9 months a year aboard cruising and living, the latter has my vote in the under 50' size range, especially if we have 20 or so folks for cocktails or a buffet dinner on board.


Bobk