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No problem Bird, I was fully covered on our little cruise during Yankeefest. You and Dan were my non-paying guests, heck you didn't even buy me a beer when we tied up at Claudios.

How do birds go? ("Cheap, cheap")
We were just trying to protect your interest as we know how particular you are. Had we bought you a beer, we would have become paying guests onboard your boat, thereby causing you all sorts of potential problems with your insurance company. We were so concerned, we didn't even buy ourselves a beer.

Outside that, I could have sworn it was YOU who was OUR non-paying guest. You ever gonna buy a Hatt?
 
Outside that, I could have sworn it was YOU who was OUR non-paying guest. You ever gonna buy a Hatt?

Why buy the cow when the milk is free?

I think Krush and I have this big boat gig figured out. Be a boat owners best friend, go out on his boat and offer to pay for food, booze, dockage, fuel - you will still be FAR ahead in the game financially as opposed to actually owning the boat.



The straight answer is yes - and Dan can vouch for this - The admiral will not be happy until we are back on the water in either a Hatt, Viking or Post.
 
In light of the sober responses, I have cut the offer back to a dockside luncheon/dinner. The engines won't be started and I won't leave the dock. Also, I will be less affected by weather. I have a Marquipt for boarding, so getting on and off, should be a minimal issue.

Many thanks for the response, esp. Capt. G.
 
You're right kid, it was dumb for me to take you out of my boat. BTW, I got a call this morning that my boat was on fire. Seems it started with the air conditioning unit you worked on. Hmmm.

I don't remember working on any A/C unit...do you have an invoice? ;)
 
I HATE THIS CRAP I'm not saying you guys aren't right I just hate the fact that just about everything is viewed through the lawsuit lens and many good things go un done. I WON'T DO IT I simply refuse to live in fear of what might happen if some dirt bag sues me for treating him or her to a good time. I JUST WON'T DO IT!!!


Brian
 
I won't do it either. We gave a dinner cruise to a charity here in New Bern that garnered 1900.00 for the charity. Had a fine time with new friends we met. Also had done the same in N.J. before we moved. I refuse to live my life afraid of what might happen!!. I did limit my adult beverage consumption to 2 drinks though.
 
I've donated my boat several times, $2,500 the least. unless youa are taking out a lot from weitz and luxemburg, or how ever it is spelled, you should be fine.

The people that charter a bost at a charity event are generous, just like the skipper thats has them in his care for the afternoon.

The whole point is to help someone that needs help.

Some things in life should be done simply because they are the RIGHT THING TO DO.

Get out there and do the right thing, people are watching, maybe youy kids!

JM
 
We've also taken people out over the years as a prize from a charity. Be extra careful but the chances are that nothing will come of it - other than good. I think we have too many lawyers looking for things to do which is why they either chase crap cases like some of you are concerned about or else they become politicians. Either one is waaaay overdone. We need to have limits on lawsuits...tort reform but it will never happen as long as the politicians who make the laws are lawyers.


Walt
 
Yes Everyone listen to Brian PLEASE Listen to Brian
 

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I HATE THIS CRAP I'm not saying you guys aren't right I just hate the fact that just about everything is viewed through the lawsuit lens and many good things go un done. I WON'T DO IT I simply refuse to live in fear of what might happen if some dirt bag sues me for treating him or her to a good time. I JUST WON'T DO IT!!!


Brian


Me too! I am careful but will not be in constant fear of the ambulance chasers.
 
I won't do it either. We gave a dinner cruise to a charity here in New Bern that garnered 1900.00 for the charity. Had a fine time with new friends we met. Also had done the same in N.J. before we moved. I refuse to live my life afraid of what might happen!!. I did limit my adult beverage consumption to 2 drinks though.

Yeah, it surprised me when I was pulled over by the USCG that they had no issue with alcohol open and being consumed while underway. However, best you not exceed the legal limit if at the helm.
 
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Me too! I am careful but will not be in constant fear of the ambulance chasers.

I'm hoping one day to run into that fat ass ambulance chaser lawyer who's always adevertising on TV here. "Morgan & Morgan For The People" I'm going to sneak up behind him kick him in the ass as hard as I can then run away. Imagine his frustration when there's no one to sue!!!


Brian
 
I'm hoping one day to run into that fat ass ambulance chaser lawyer who's always adevertising on TV here. "Morgan & Morgan For The People" I'm going to sneak up behind him kick him in the ass as hard as I can then run away. Imagine his frustration when there's no one to sue!!!


Brian
Send me $100 cash or I'm forwarding a copy of this thread to that attorney.
 
Screw that!!! Brian get that on tape and I'll send you $100.00!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm hoping one day to run into that fat ass ambulance chaser lawyer who's always adevertising on TV here. "Morgan & Morgan For The People" I'm going to sneak up behind him kick him in the ass as hard as I can then run away. Imagine his frustration when there's no one to sue!!!


Brian


I despise the scumbags who have no consience and no respect for right or wrong. They just go where the money is. Some klutz falls off the ladder they will sue the ladder manufacturer, the owner of the property, the tool manufacturer of the screwdriver in his hand and probably the store where the ladder was purchased. The klutz should just stay off the ladder.
 
I think the bottom line is that it doesn't matter who you take out on your boat. A neighbor, a friend from church, your brother-in-law, a mechanic or surveyor.

If something goes wrong, the insurance company is going to look for reasons not to cover you, and the injured are going to sue anyone that might have the potential to provide them with a big settlement.
 
I despise the scumbags who have no consience and no respect for right or wrong. They just go where the money is. Some klutz falls off the ladder they will sue the ladder manufacturer, the owner of the property, the tool manufacturer of the screwdriver in his hand and probably the store where the ladder was purchased. The klutz should just stay off the ladder.


The injuries due to ladders could be another thread. I have had several friends/associates who have been badly injured falling off or losing control of ladders. One lost a leg, another died!
 
Well I used to have a company who mfg. swimming pool liners. A kid dove into the shallow end of a pool and broke his neck. Mind you all we did was seal vinyl pcs together to make a vinyl liner. Got sued and the insurance co. paid off big time. Then they raised my rates big time. Where is the justice in that? Lawyers are all scum to me! Sorry if this offends anyone!
 
People will always gravitate to do what they are incented are rewarded for. Last time I checked that was a fundamental premise of the system on which our economy is based.

Moaning and complaining about the results of the system isn't appropriate IMHO. The vile, scumbag lawyers are not necessarily the problem. Rather that there are marginal players in this game with obtuse interpretations of what is right and wrong, is just a part of living these days. Not everyone shares our values (the beauty of old Hatts?). If everyone did, then I probably would have been bid out of the old Hatt market due to scarcity of product (and lack of money on my part).

If you want to complain, complain about the lack of tort reform. Complain about the power of the trial attorney lobby that defeats changes to the system (in defense of the little guy (who has trouble climbing ladders)).

My own thought (or one I shamelessly stole from someone assuredly a lot smarter than I am) is that a simple guide line that would make the legal costs of the winning side of a court case the responsibility of the losing side would solve our problems.

The vile, scumbag lawyers still get paid (mostly good). The system is still there to provide financial incentive - read penalty - to the transgressor (builder of the offending ladder?), but with a check on the "roll the dice" court cases that get settled for nuisance values. Such a system would incent people to fight for what they believe in (and what they believe they can win), and discourage lost cause, load 'em up with paperwork crap cases as inspired by the previously referenced vile, scumbag lawyers. If anything it would encourage that the vile, scumbag lawyers would actually have to be good at arguing the merits of their customer's case in court, as opposed to just negotiating a beneficial deals that are 'least cost' alternatives. The economic evaluation of the decision would still remain; it would move the "mid-point" of the decision close to actions personified by the words of Stephen Decatur. "Millions for defense, not one penny for tribute". Let's get away from the mindset that it's "cheaper to settle".

My own thought (or one I shamelessly stole from someone assuredly a lot smarter than I am) is that a simple guide line that makes the legal costs of the winning side of a court case the responsibility of the losing side. The vile, scumbag lawyers still get paid (mostly a good thing). The system is still there to provide financial incentive - read penalty - to the transgressor (builder of the offending ladder?), but with a check on the "roll the dice" court cases that get settled for nuisance values. Such a system would incent people to fight for what they believe in (or at least that which they believe they can win), and discourage lost cause, load 'em up with paperwork cases as inspired by the previously referenced vile, scumbag lawyers.

I shall now climb down from my soap box and close with the statement that the vile, scumbag lawyers are not the problem. You cannot fault someone for doing something that they are paid to do. If you don't want them applying their vile, scumbag cleverness to the purpose of furthering their vile, scumbag wealth (used to purchase beautiful old Hatts?), then change the system that so encourages them to do so.
 
Loser pays all fees is good. Also require that insurance companies at the very least make all efforts to defend each and every case and not settle because it's more expiediant. Insurance companys work on the premise that in most cases it's cheaper to throw them a few bucks than to actually fight for what's right.

Walt
 

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