CF-2 Designation going away

[GJH]

Never got caught up in that, since never used Delo; did they still have CF2 in the API doughnut after they reformulated?

I guess a better way of saying it is that if/when the refiner changes the descriptive labeling, beyond the API doughnut, that should be one clue, calling them would be the next step. Many of them, such as Valvoline, also print the specs, such as Ash, viscosity and TBN online. My plan is to keep the list of stuff we know works today and continue buying those.

As far as DD PowerGuard, you also want to be sure you get the 2cycle version. The DD place in Rhode Island gave me a bucket of non-2cycle 40W once. Florida DD and J&T in Baltimore always had good supplies, but that's been close to a year now.

 

[REBrueckner]

Synthetic oil is NOT,NOT,NOT approved for use in two cycle detroit diesels.

 

[bobk]

Here in Port St. Lucie, FL the only CF2 oil I could find was Rotella T40 at NAPA. I had to drive south to Pompano Beach to get XD3-40. Unfortunately cannot store large quantities in the condo.

I run 400 hours a year, but mostly displacement speed. Will that low RPM increase my problems if the ash goes up?

Bob
1981 48MY
Chateau de Mer

 

[Genesis]

Never got caught up in that, since never used Delo; did they still have CF2 in the API doughnut after they reformulated?

Nope - the CF-II went away and I caught it before I plunked down the cash. Some other people did not, and got "surprised."

Now that "warning" will disappear. There was NO OTHER WARNING on the reformulation other than the change in the donut - other than the CF-II disappearing NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.

The CF-II has been the "safe marker" for these engines forever. Since it is now disappearing it will become more difficult to know that you're ok with what you buy.

I understand API's problem if their reference engine died, but the fact remains that users of these engines need a reliable way to know that the oil they're buying is ok. That Detroit has said they're going to come up with such is good, but I want to see it, and I suspect, so does anyone who currently owns these engines!

 

[Walter P]

I just checked out the tech sheets for Citgo Citgard 600 Single Viscosity Grade engine oils and they specifically targeted DD 2 cycle engines. Some of their claims are excellent detergency control of exhaust port deposits in DD 2 stroke engines, excellent dispersancy and oxidation resistance protect against excessive viscosity increase, wear protection in hydraulic pumps and DD 2 stroke engines and they claim that it meets DD recommendations of 1.0% maximum sulfated ash for 2 stroke DD engines.

I wish I knew how to post the entire spec sheets (2 pages) on here but I am not as computer savey as I wish I was. I'm sure all the info can be accessed by accessing Citgo's web site.

Walt

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I just checked out the tech sheets for Citgo Citgard 600 Single Viscosity Grade engine oils and they specifically targeted DD 2 cycle engines. Some of their claims are excellent detergency control of exhaust port deposits in DD 2 stroke engines, excellent dispersancy and oxidation resistance protect against excessive viscosity increase, wear protection in hydraulic pumps and DD 2 stroke engines and they claim that it meets DD recommendations of 1.0% maximum sulfated ash for 2 stroke DD engines.

I wish I knew how to post the entire spec sheets (2 pages) on here but I am not as computer savey as I wish I was. I'm sure all the info can be accessed by accessing Citgo's web site.

Walt

It really doesn't matter what the specs are. It's Citgo and that means Chavez. You must boycott any of their products if you are truly an American that believes in liberty.

 

[GJH]

I agree Sky. I came by 10 gallons of CitGard 500, which is a CF2 40W, at the best possible price (given to me), so held my nose and used it. But no way I'd pay money for it. Oil analysis for the engine I used it in came back well, but I'll stick to Valvoline/NAPA or DD for my bucks.

 

[Bugsy]

It really doesn't matter what the specs are. It's Citgo and that means Chavez. You must boycott any of their products if you are truly an American that believes in liberty.

That remark seems like one best confined to the "other forum". Apparently, a "true American" ignores the fact that Chavez was duly elected ---twice.
That same "true American" must define liberty by reference to values that are perhaps not universal.
That "true American" is able to accept without question the notion that "disputed chads" and the refusal to count all ballots is evidence of a "real" democracy. That same bemused individual must turn a blind eye to "rendition" and the use of assassination as a means of overthrowing governments.

 

[Traveler 45C]

“Let’s leave this clear,” Mr. Chávez said during a live broadcast of his Sunday television program. “Golf is a bourgeois sport,” he said, repeating the word “bourgeois” as if he were swallowing castor oil. Then he went on, mocking the use of golf carts as a practice illustrating the sport’s laziness.
The government’s broad nationalizations and asset seizures have gone far beyond the oil industry to include coffee roasters, cattle ranches and tomato-processing plants.
“I respect all sports,” he said. “But there are sports and there are sports. Do you mean to tell me this is a people’s sport?”
He then answered the question: “It is not.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/world/americas/12venez.html

Critics say the president has become authoritarian and is using courts to neutralise foes. "Given the way Chávez and his supporters have undermined the independence of the judiciary it is difficult to have confidence in the fairness of the trials,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/12/hugo-chavez-venezuela-president-tyrant

...the government seized the Hilton on Margarita island, Venezuela's tourist playground. It had angered Chávez during a meeting of African leaders he hosted at the hotel. "The owners tried to impose conditions on the revolutionary government. No way. So I said, 'Let's expropriate it.' And now it's been expropriated."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/22/chavez-seizes-hilton-caracas

Honduras has been the most recent target of Chávez's subversion. There, he convinced a gullible follower, Manuel Zelaya, to retain his office through ALBA's so-far successful modus operandi: After reaching power democratically, change the rules, neutralizing the legislative and judicial systems so that no opposition leader can ever rise democratically again.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/08/28/chavez_s_covert_war

I could post more examples, hopefully the point is made. While he may have been elected, he did try to seize power through a coup. That failed, so he rose to power the same way Hitler did; Chávez unified the people by giving them an enemy to hate, in this case, the rich (sound familiar?). This tactic is still practiced but not recognized for what it is, manipulation.

No, liberty in Venezuela is dead. There is no justification for the acts of this tyrant.

No disrespect intended, just using this as 'a teachable moment'.

 

[Bugsy]

Say again...wrong forum.

Many (perhaps most) forum readers come to the "Tech Talk" section because the information conveyed is often invaluable, explained by knowledgeable boater's who have "been there; done that".

Some of the best and most frequent Tech Talk contributors also participate in the Sandbar where the unwary can be confronted by the expression of opinion that fairly boggles the mind.

The decision to separate the two "discussion groups" was a good one. Were it otherwise, many would be denied the benefit of the expertise posted in "Tech Talk".

No disrespect, Traveller but you are doing nothing more than parroting some media and unlike the statement of ideals in the Bill of Rights, not all media are equal. Disguise it as you will, you are expressing an opinion that is a reflection of your values. Since not all share your values, someone coming to look for technical advice should not be compelled to scan your statement of opinion in order to get to the next "nugget" of advice and guidance on all things "Hatteras". As you say---a "teachable moment".

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I'm sorry. He actually looks like a good friend of this country. I guess I was wrong.

 

[mike]

Say again...wrong forum.

Many (perhaps most) forum readers come to the "Tech Talk" section because the information conveyed is often invaluable, explained by knowledgeable boater's who have "been there; done that".

Some of the best and most frequent Tech Talk contributors also participate in the Sandbar where the unwary can be confronted by the expression of opinion that fairly boggles the mind.

The decision to separate the two "discussion groups" was a good one. Were it otherwise, many would be denied the benefit of the expertise posted in "Tech Talk".

No disrespect, Traveller but you are doing nothing more than parroting some media and unlike the statement of ideals in the Bill of Rights, not all media are equal. Disguise it as you will, you are expressing an opinion that is a reflection of your values. Since not all share your values, someone coming to look for technical advice should not be compelled to scan your statement of opinion in order to get to the next "nugget" of advice and guidance on all things "Hatteras". As you say---a "teachable moment".

FWIW regarding your comments........ get over it!

 

[dcate]

I wouldn't have known about the CF-2 were it not for this forum. Thanks for the head's up.


"The right to vote is a necessary part of freedom, but the right to vote does not freedom make".

 

[Traveler 45C]

I get your point about the ‘other forum’. Perhaps you yourself should have concluded after your ‘wrong forum’ remark, but you continued with your own political views in the very same ‘wrong forum’. It’s not nice to lecture others while you’re doing the very same thing.

No disrespect, Buggy, but you are doing nothing more than being a hypocrite.

 

[Bugsy]

I get your point about the ‘other forum’. Perhaps you yourself should have concluded after your ‘wrong forum’ remark, but you continued with your own political views in the very same ‘wrong forum’. It’s not nice to lecture others while you’re doing the very same thing.

No disrespect, Buggy, but you are doing nothing more than being a hypocrite.

Tippler---sorry, "traveler"---you're right. I was being hypocritical. I withdraw the intro "No disrespect."

As per suggestion above---I'm "over it". Off to Citgo now for a tank of gas.

Seriously--I'm smiling. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Lord knows, half the time I don't even agree with my own! It's a GREAT day--I do believe I'll enjoy it.

Cheers!

 

[stormchaser]

So, it looks like API used a test for CF-II called a 6V92TA test. I assume they had a singe DD 6V92TA and it crapped out on them...but why not just get another?

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Off to Citgo now for a tank of gas.

 

[stormchaser]

Could we please take the political disccussions elsewhere and not further derail a good technical discussion? I tried being suble in getting the thread back on track but that didn't seem to work, so now I'm outright asking...

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Yes we could but it's always you libs that complain and that makes it kinda fun to keep this going.

 

[DLCameron2]

Hey Bugsy FWIW I completely agree with Sky. If you think he was "elected" maybe you should move there!

LMAO

DC