Captain School

[Sparky1]

I didn't remember there being a 125T and thought it went from 100T to 200T. You may have stated this already Pascal, but do you have an inland or near coastal 100T master?

 

[Pascal]

Near coastal...

It s the same exam but like the 100T the actual licence is based on what boat you ve run

 

[Sparky1]

Yeah, I know the boat experience determines the rating. Am I correct in that you have to have 720 days experience with a minimum of 360 offshore as in outside the COLREGS?

 

[Pascal]

Yeah, I know the boat experience determines the rating. Am I correct in that you have to have 720 days experience with a minimum of 360 offshore as in outside the COLREGS?

yes, i believe that 360 have to be outside the colregs

 

[Sparky1]

yes, i believe that 360 have to be outside the colregs

I thought I had understood it that way. Based on what I've been told, the 360 days doesn't have to be aboard a boat that's over 50GT, but it would have to be 180 days aboard one unless you had the full 360 on a 34GT+ vessel. I'm going to have to learn how to do the math to calculate GT on boats I've owned and ran while I was living in Florida starting back in '87. No doubt I'm going to have to guesstimate a little as nobody (I assume) would have kept logs to verify time they spent offshore over 20 years ago.

I didn't realize I was doing it at the time, but I guess this place is a pretty good log of boats over 50GT that I've run over the past 3+ years. Guess I need to start tracking down some owners of those boats that I got some of that time on. Looks like I might have to search my own posts to get everything and everybody accounted for.

 

[Sparky1]

Nah, Googling is unsporting. Besides, we need something to talk about that's related to boating.

 

[Sparky1]

yes, i believe that 360 have to be outside the colregs

Wait a minute, you "believe" 360 days have to be outside? They haven't changed the rules since you got your ticket, have they?

Sorry Pascal, old habits are hard to break. I looked at the USCG site for determining GT but got totally confused. I guess I'll ask the instructor about that, but I think he mentioned this would be covered at some point. Are there any quick and painless ways to calucate gross tonnage?

 

[Pascal]

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/msc/interactive_tonnage.asp

or search this site for identical boats, you'll find the actual tonnage.

a 53MY for instance is 37GT,a 58MY is 43GT, etc...

 

[Sparky1]

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/msc/interactive_tonnage.asp

or search this site for identical boats, you'll find the actual tonnage.

a 53MY for instance is 37GT,a 58MY is 43GT, etc...

So your 53 is only 37GT? I thought it would be more than that. That would mean you had to spend 360 days offshore on your boat to get a near coastal. That's a pretty good bunch of time over what, a three year period?

Too bad it was improper to post cruising threads on here until about three years ago as I'm sure you would have some stories to share having spent that much time offshore.

Then again, according to the rules for sea time, all anybody has to do is go out and just float around for four hours before coming back in. That constitutes one day of sea time. I'm assuming if you go outside the COLREGS, you can get a day of offshore time by doing the same thing. I'll have to try and remember to ask that question this evening. Not saying you did that of course, but it sure does leave a lot of room for fudging where requirements are concerned.

 

[Pascal]

Randy,

i think that instead of worrying about my sea time, which spans almost 30 years and not 3... , you should worry about your own since looking at your comments about tonnage and a few other things, it's clear you have a few things to learn.

 

[Sparky1]

I'm not worrying about your sea time Pascal, I'm more worried about mine. My offshore days started in '87 when I moved to Florida the first time, but that was on a 22' Stingray sport cuddy that I ran almost every day. Rarely did a day go by that I didn't run 10 miles or so offshore just to sit and watch the sun go down, so that would count as offshore time.

I logged thousands of miles on the ICW over the next several years on several different boats that I owned, but that doesn't count as offshore. Until I bought my 58 3 1/2 years ago, the largest boat I had owned and operated offshore was a 30' Sea Ray.

Again, I can ask these questions during class when the topic comes up, but I just figured folks on here would know the answers or would be interested in the questions. There is no doubt whatsoever that I can get a 100T Master Inland and/or a 50T Master Near Coastal. How does that work?

I'm assuming the choice would be mine, but how does that affect my ability to go offshore as a paid captain? I'm assuming it wouldn't matter if I were doing deliveries as that doesn't require a license period, but it sure does get confusing trying to figure all this out.

 

[Sparky1]

Randy,

i think that instead of worrying about my sea time, which spans almost 30 years and not 3... , you should worry about your own since looking at your comments about tonnage and a few other things, it's clear you have a few things to learn.

Oh, one more point. The three year figure I mentioned was my recollection of how long you owned your 53 before you got your ticket. As I recall, your other two boats were a 25' Bayliner and a 37' Maxxum which would fall below the minimum 34GT required to spend 360 days offshore for the near coastal. Looks like we both have a few things to learn.

 

[Pascal]

i'll say it again: you got to get a life and mind your own business... these kinds of obsessions are very unhealthy.

Instead of tracking some of the boats i owned or operated over the past 30 years, you shoudl re read the regs to see how sea time is calculated. you may learn something...

 

[Sparky1]

Jesus Pascal, I'm just asking questions in general here. You're the one who is taking it personally. I just remember the thread you posted where everybody was talking about when they got into boating and what boats they owned before moving into a Hatteras. That hardly constitutes "tracking".

I read the regs about sea time and have posted them on this thread, so I'm not sure where the comment about that is coming from. I assume you can't/won't answer my question about the inland vs near coastal designation?

No problem either way as I'll find out tonight and post my findings for those who may have an interest. I just figured you would know some of this stuff since it hasn't been that long since you got your license. Sorry if it got you upset.

 

[Pascal]

"never mud wrestle a pig, the pig enjoys it"

cant' remember where that quote comes from...

although in case anyone else is still wading thru all that mud in this thread, here is the link to the USCG 100T application check list:

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/master_100.pdf

Recency – 90 days in the last 3 years on vessels of appropriate tonnage. 10.202(e)
SERVICE:
A. NEAR COASTAL: 720 days of service steam, motor, or auxiliary sail vessels on ocean or near coastal waters (360 days inland is acceptable)
B. GREAT LAKES AND INLAND: 360 days service steam, motor, sail/aux. sail vessels including 90 days on Great Lakes waters
C. INLAND: 360 days service steam, motor, aux. sail vessels on any waters
3.
D. RIVERS: 360 days service steam, motor, aux. sail vessels on any waters
3.
TONNAGE:
A. 50 GT increments, EITHER:
1) Maximum tonnage on which 25% of required experience obtained, OR
2) 150% tonnage on which at least 50% of experience obtained.
4.
3) If all service under 5 GT, license issued 25 GT (1 day over 5 GT good for


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it's pretty clear that the number of days offshore doesn't have to be in the previous 3 years or on any specific size boat. so as long as you spent 4 hours watching those sunsets on that 22footer, you can long that as a day.

 

[Sparky1]

Oink oink!! I can! ROFLOL!!!

 

[Sparky1]

Here you go Pascal, just in case you missed it.

http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=150929#post150929

Tell you what, I'll buy you a couple of drinks at the boat show next month... just for old times sake.

 

[Sparky1]

"never mud wrestle a pig, the pig enjoys it"

cant' remember where that quote comes from...

although in case anyone else is still wading thru all that mud in this thread, here is the link to the USCG 100T application check list:

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/master_100.pdf

Recency – 90 days in the last 3 years on vessels of appropriate tonnage. 10.202(e)
SERVICE:
A. NEAR COASTAL: 720 days of service steam, motor, or auxiliary sail vessels on ocean or near coastal waters (360 days inland is acceptable)
B. GREAT LAKES AND INLAND: 360 days service steam, motor, sail/aux. sail vessels including 90 days on Great Lakes waters
C. INLAND: 360 days service steam, motor, aux. sail vessels on any waters
3.
D. RIVERS: 360 days service steam, motor, aux. sail vessels on any waters
3.
TONNAGE:
A. 50 GT increments, EITHER:
1) Maximum tonnage on which 25% of required experience obtained, OR
2) 150% tonnage on which at least 50% of experience obtained.
4.
3) If all service under 5 GT, license issued 25 GT (1 day over 5 GT good for


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it's pretty clear that the number of days offshore doesn't have to be in the previous 3 years or on any specific size boat. so as long as you spent 4 hours watching those sunsets on that 22footer, you can long that as a day.

Things weren't muddy until... never mind.

Thanks for the edit. I wasn't sure about the 90 days in the last three years being applicable to the 100T, but that doesn't change the requirement for 180 days offshore over 50GT or the 360 days offshore over 34GT.

I still don't know how the hell I'm supposed to come up with the GT on boats I owned 20 or more years ago. I'm sure Hatt owners can help me calculate the ones I own now or have operated, but that won't help much with the others. Add to that trying to come up with registration and/or hull numbers, and it's going to be a nightmare. Maybe Sea Ray can help with numbers on their cruisers I've owned.

Now then, wanna give my other questions a shot as they pertain to inland, near coastal, and tonnage ratings?

 

[Pascal]

"that doesn't change the requirement for 180 days offshore over 50GT or the 360 days offshore over 34GT."

where did you find that "requirement"? you need a minimum of 720 days total, including at least 360 days offshore but i have never seen anything indicating that time has to be on boats over 34GT...

if you have enough time on boats over 34GT, the offshore time can be on any boat, it doens't have to be on boats over 34GT.

otherwise, post the link...

"I'm sure Hatt owners can help me calculate the ones I own now or have operated, but that won't help much with the others. Add to that trying to come up with registration and/or hull numbers, and it's going to be a nightmare. Maybe Sea Ray can help with numbers on their cruisers I've owned."

you dont' simply need the registration or hull number, you need to provide a COPY of the state reg or USCG Doc. In other word, every sea service form you submit (one per boat) needs to be supported by a copy of the state reg or uscg doc unless you were not the boat owner, in that case the owner needs to sign the form.

 

[Sparky1]

"that doesn't change the requirement for 180 days offshore over 50GT or the 360 days offshore over 34GT."

where did you find that "requirement"? you need a minimum of 720 days total, including at least 360 days offshore but i have never seen anything indicating that time has to be on boats over 34GT...

if you have enough time on boats over 34GT, the offshore time can be on any boat, it doens't have to be on boats over 34GT.

otherwise, post the link...

I'm sitting here looking at a sheet given to me by the school which lists those requirements. Would you like for me to scan it and post it on here?

"I'm sure Hatt owners can help me calculate the ones I own now or have operated, but that won't help much with the others. Add to that trying to come up with registration and/or hull numbers, and it's going to be a nightmare. Maybe Sea Ray can help with numbers on their cruisers I've owned."

you dont' simply need the registration or hull number, you need to provide a COPY of the state reg or USCG Doc. In other word, every sea service form you submit (one per boat) needs to be supported by a copy of the state reg or uscg doc unless you were not the boat owner, in that case the owner needs to sign the form.

Therein lies the problem(s). Again, I've owned well over 30 boats since I was in my 20's. Who the hell is going to have their old registrations after all that time? In fact, I would have had to make copies after I sold these boats as it's a legal requirement in TN that you mail your registration back in when you sell a boat. Needless to say, I didn't make copies.

I've only owned one boat which was documented, and that was a Wellcraft Sedan Bridge I bought in 1984 and sold in 1988. Supplying the documented name would be easy enough, but I don't have anything which would show the document number. Add to that I've had a TN boat dealer's license for over 20 years, and I won't have any state registrations which would apply to a specific boat. I can't imagine that I'm the first person to find themselves in this position, so there has to be a way to satisfy these folks.