50 Hatt C destroyed

[hromberg]

As bizzare as it sounds, I think they just didn't see the ship. They're on stbd tack with the main between them and the ship and distracted by the spinnaker issues. Anybody who's ever sailed can tell you that things easily get hidden by the sails and you really have to make a concious effort to "maintain a proper lookout." Which means frequently ducking your head below the level of the boom and the jib to see what's on the other side.

They should've ducked.

I don't know. There's normally someone on the sailboat that size who doesn't do anything but think (the "strategist") Maybe it was him that jumped. Looks like jumping was a bad call though. If the shrouds hadn't snagged the anchor and taken the rig down that boat would have been fine. The wonders of a bow wave and all that.

 

[Avenger]

Comtting suicide to avoid getting killed?

I really don't think anybody on that boat was thinking.

And yes, it looks like we've taken this thread completely off the rails too. Wasn't there something about a Hatteras in the beginning?

 

[hromberg]

Comtting suicide to avoid getting killed?

I really don't think anybody on that boat was thinking.

And yes, it looks like we've taken this thread completely off the rails too. Wasn't there something about a Hatteras in the beginning?

Yep, and my money is still on a fuel air explosion of some kind. I've seen a lot of wrecks from boats that popped from a tiny bit of propane in the bilge. They come apart at the seams, like the hull to deck joint, etc. Toss a gas can in the cockpit storage area and have it release vapor until it hits the spark point, and it could totally demolish a boat.

Looking at the way that light flimsy sailboat slid off the bow of the freighter despite a t-bone crash makes me think it's unlikely a similar impact would have destroyed the Hatt so completely.

 

[saltshaker]

Yep, and my money is still on a fuel air explosion of some kind. I've seen a lot of wrecks from boats that popped from a tiny bit of propane in the bilge. They come apart at the seams, like the hull to deck joint, etc. Toss a gas can in the cockpit storage area and have it release vapor until it hits the spark point, and it could totally demolish a boat.

Looking at the way that light flimsy sailboat slid off the bow of the freighter despite a t-bone crash makes me think it's unlikely a similar impact would have destroyed the Hatt so completely.

The freighter in the video is probably doing less than 5kts and the sailboat almost cleared the bow. If the Hatt was hit by a ship moving 15-20kts, it wouldn't have a chance.

 

[rsmith]

Yep, and my money is still on a fuel air explosion of some kind. I've seen a lot of wrecks from boats that popped from a tiny bit of propane in the bilge. They come apart at the seams, like the hull to deck joint, etc. Toss a gas can in the cockpit storage area and have it release vapor until it hits the spark point, and it could totally demolish a boat.

Looking at the way that light flimsy sailboat slid off the bow of the freighter despite a t-bone crash makes me think it's unlikely a similar impact would have destroyed the Hatt so completely.

A ship doing 8kts in port and one doing 20kts offshore are 2 different things. Plus the huge volume of air that is sucked into a pair of 8/92's would prevent the posibility of the little bit of propane in a bernzomatic bottle from reaching a level to support combustion. A lot of us who paint our engines with spray cans run the engines to keep the overspray and vapors down.

 

[hromberg]

The freighter in the video is probably doing less than 5kts and the sailboat almost cleared the bow. If the Hatt was hit by a ship moving 15-20kts, it wouldn't have a chance.

<5kts? I think it's going a lot faster than that.

I wouldn't want to be hit by a freighter in anything at any speed, but the fact is the same. That bow wave tends to push stuff to the side rather than let the ship ride up over it and crunch it. The faster she goes, the bigger the bow wave. Would being hit by a freighter eff you up? Of course. Would it rip the boat apart at the seams leaving nice flat panels floating? Seems less likely.

 

[hromberg]

A ship doing 8kts in port and one doing 20kts offshore are 2 different things. Plus the huge volume of air that is sucked into a pair of 8/92's would prevent the posibility of the little bit of propane in a bernzomatic bottle from reaching a level to support combustion. A lot of us who paint our engines with spray cans run the engines to keep the overspray and vapors down.

I hadn't thought about the engines clearing vapors, but the explosion hazard could still be there. All it would take would be a pair of clogged fuel filters (usual after a boat sits for a while growing algae) to produce a nice warm engine room with no ventilation. Even a trickle from a gas can that fell over, or a propane line with a leak, and it could still happen.

I remember reading that a gallon of gas contains about the same energy as a pound of TNT. It doesn't take much of a fuel vapor cloud to pop apart a boat.

I'm not saying it's certain that's what happened. Just that it seems like a reasonable possibility.

 

[bigbill]

what do ya'll think about maybe getting between a tug and its barge, the cable would sheer everything clean, then the barge would run over it????will we ever know

 

[saltshaker]

what do ya'll think about maybe getting between a tug and its barge, the cable would sheer everything clean, then the barge would run over it????will we ever know

That's what I think happened. See post #14 and #16

 

[Boatnut]

Are you guys really serious here? So speculate all you want, aren't there some interesting boat projects going on, we can talk about.

 

[hromberg]

Armchair accident investigation is fun.

 

[34Hatt]

Are you guys really serious here? So speculate all you want, aren't there some interesting boat projects going on, we can talk about.

Armchair accident investigation is fun.

Now that's FUNNY


I am working on some projects lots of small ones how about you Craig got any projects going any pictures can't remember you posting any but I may have missed them

 

[bobk]

Are you guys really serious here? So speculate all you want, aren't there some interesting boat projects going on, we can talk about.

All the 'interesting' projects on Chateau de Mer are done so just little stuff will go on in the next weeks.... Cetol maintenance coats on rails, wash, change oil and filters. We will need to haul to install new through hull DS transducer so maybe touch up bottom, add zincs etc. But first a cruise across lake O for a couple of weeks. And after all that hard work, we'll start north for the summer months. Retirement is great.... I highly recommend it.

Almost forgot, getting the USCG vessel safety checks on the Hatt and Angler this morning. No snow here in SFL.

Bobk

 

[Avenger]

For Comparison

DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. - One man suffered extensive burns when an explosion occurs on his 65-foot sport fishing boat.

The incident happened about 1:30 p.m. Tuesday near Hillsboro Beach.

The 32-year-old captain was working or cleaning the engine when the explosion happened, sending the first floor of the vessel crashing onto the second floor, according to Pompano Beach Fire Rescue.

He was transported to Broward Health North and then Jackson Memorial Hospital with extensive burns.

A salvage company will tow the boat away when the Broward Sheriff's Office Fire Rescue finishes atmospheric monitoring at the dock.

http://www.local10.com/news/Fishing...367865889":"og.recommends"}&action_ref_map=[]

 

[Freeebird]

I'll bet he was drunk.

Seriously, I hope the guy makes it okay.

 

[hromberg]

He's definitely got some interesting boat projects on his plate...

Edit to add: Check out how she started un-zippng the deck to hull joint. It's actually a pretty minor explosion to do that little damage. Check out what propane and a spark did to this guy's 40 footer.
http://www.sequimgazette.com/news/article.exm/2012-01-31_boat_explodes_at_john_wayne_marina

I like that they found the owner of this one alive and inside the hull before it sank. Had to be one hell of an experience for both of em. Seems to me boats are a lot stronger at keeping water out of the hull than they are at keeping pressurized gas inside.

 

[rsmith]

My money's on either aliens or the Bermuda triangle.

 

[Canuck Dennis]

If that blowboat did not hear the freighters horn, there is a problem I heard it all the way up here in Vancouver !!!! we have raghangers here who cheat , power sail and try to claim right of way.

 

[saltshaker]

Rules of gross tonnage wins here. Also the rules of common sense and physics.

 

[Bob Bradley]

Was she a blonde?

Naturally.