46C Question

[ADaily3224]

Experts!

I'm starting to day dream about moving up a bit. There is a boat for sale in my neighborhood, that I have been thinking about. It's nice.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...rency=USD&access=Public&listing_id=69652&url=

There has been a lot of conversation about the 45's, this is a 46, what is the difference, and is this as highly regarded?
I'm a bit worried about high horsepower 8-V92ti's, any thoughts here. This boat is listed on Yachtworld by a FL. broker but it's in Oakville Ontario, just over the boarder and about 1 hour drive time from my home. I have seen it and it's a beauty, one of the cleanest around. I would have to sell my 1988 36, it should be easy to sell with it being a re-power and in "new" condition? I'm just starting to think about this.

Tony D

 

[Passages]

Wow, she's a beaut!

Mostly freshwater, Refitted by Slane , 25 kt cruise, what's not to like?

Regarding the 8-92's @ 735hp. That's right at the upper limit for those engines. You want to avoid exceeding 1:1 relationship of HP:Cubic Inch displacement. 8-92 puts you at 736 cubic inches. My best guess on engine lifespan (assuming good maintenance) would be around 2000 hours.

I'll let Genesis weigh in for the definitive assessment on the power plants.

 

[REBrueckner]

Nothing wrong with 8-92's except noise and oil seepage, like most Detroit Diesels, but if you run them hard life is shortened. If you are willing to cruise at more modest RPM, life is significantly extended. As the previous post noted, using most of the 735 horses does strain these high HP models, so back off two hundred RPM or so from normal cruise....It's a similar story for the 450 HP and higher 6-71TI's.

 

[SeaEric]

WOW! She is a moviestar!

 

[Genesis]

Pull 2" out of the props after you set up for full WOT RPM.

If you can live with the performance there it'll be fine.

 

[Maynard Rupp]

Let me know more about your '88 36'. We own an '86 36C and we have a friend in the Detroit area that would like to own a boat like ours. You can send me a PM if you like.

 

[Banshee36]

A buddy of mine had one for two years, 46 HP covertible with the HO 8-92's. His rig had a full tower. Upside it was a nice hatteras with some slane custom wotk done to it. Downside 22Kts cruise, through anything at 1900 RPM, at 52GPH. Find one with cats or QSM11's for a reasonable price, you have a Perfect Hatteras, or find one at a reasonable price and repower, then you have speed and better fuel economy.
JW

 

[Genesis]

Yeah, those 8-92s are going to burn the fuel. But then again so will anything making 700hp. The new technology engines are more efficient, but not THAT much better (maybe 10% efficiency gains, if you're lucky and hit the "sweet spot", 20%)

You're gonna PAY for that efficiency though. Don't kid yourself on that one....

I still think if I was looking for a "new" boat in the mid 40 foot range I'd buy a nice example of a 45C (second edition, similar to mine) that can be had around the 200k area, repower, repaint and redo the interior to suit. Find one with blown engines for $150 or one with GOOD running engines right around the $200k mark, take 'em out and sell 'em. No reason to expect you can't get $20k out of a pair of 6V92s and the Allisons, assuming they're in good working order and not on their last legs. Hell, the EXHAUST on these boats, if its relatively recent (e.g. a Marine Exhaust replacement from original) can be sold for $4-5k all on its own - that's $7k worth of beautiful stainless steel - guess how I know? You'll end up with an investment somewhere between $350-750 when you're done depending on how much "refit" you do with new-generation power and new paint/trim, and the interior will be EXACTLY what you want. You can easily do this for under $400k if you stay away from anything radical inside, all the way up to $750k if you go "whole new boat" with it down to the hand-rubbed cherry-style interior that is popular on Rybos and such.

There's no way to beat that deal. You get mid-to-upper 20kt cruise, 30kts in the corner, a boat that planes at 13-15kts (just like they do now!) for when it gets REALLY snotty, a boat that can run low-mid 20kts in honest short-period 3 footers without breaking anything all day long and the structural integrity of a Hatteras. Plus it has the classic lines, an interior that will rival anything built today and its DONE RIGHT from stem to stern.

If you decide to sell it you will take a whack, but nowhere near what you'd take buying a new Cabo and then trying to sell THAT in a couple of years.

Yes, this means you won't have "your new boat" for six months to a year after you start the process. And? Try to place an order for a new boat and see what the production delay is. How's this any different? Its not - except that you get EXACTLY what you want at a discount of anywhere from 25-50% off "new" prices, and you wind up with a better boat when you take "delivery."

 

[ADaily3224]

I think Karl wanted to answer the question about the fellow getting $1M from his wife. That's a nice story, I wish it was happening to me. It would be nice to be in that position, I'm not and won't be. Anyway great information, I'm not to thrilled with the fuel burn you mentioned on the 46 but I guess it goes with the territory. Maybe a newer 45 or much newer 41 would be a better choice??

Tony D

 

[Genesis]

My 45C burns 36 gph at 18kts and tops out around 22-23kts. It hit 25 once - at sea trial with about a gallon of fuel and water in it I don't run it over 19kts, which is why I have nearly 1000 hours on the engines since they were gone through and they still run like they were rebuilt the day before yesterday.

6V92TA 500s in mine....

You're not going to find speed in these boats unless you find one that has been repowered, and then you're going to be in the 300s, unless you just manage to STEAL one in the right circumstance (e.g. divorce, someone died or is about to, etc)

How much money 'ya got and what kind of performance do you want/need? Its all a trade-off, but the size of your wallet and the performance you need pretty much dictate what you can reasonably expect.

If you can get right near 300 you might find someone with a 45C that has been repowered. That'd be a nice buy. The '82 is a nice buy too, but the fuel burn is going to be murder to get the speed.

If you're in the low 200s (deal price, not ask) and want 25kts of cruise then you're probably down in the 42 or even repowered 38 range..... The 42s are going to be older boats, and good luck finding one that someone's already put decent power in. One strategy would be to find a mid 70s model with old and nasty motors in it at a nice price (they CAN be found under $100k) buy that and stuff a pair of Cummins QSC-500s in there - that'd be a hell of a ride, nice and quiet, the engines will fit and you'll end up right in the low 200s. There's a 42C that still has the wood interior un-dorked listed for $75k on YW; assuming the hull is sound that'd be a decent candidate for such a make-over.

Same idea as the guy with the $1m Christmas Present, but scaled down a notch or two - still gets you the same thing though when you're done....

 

[jim rosenthal]

The Ontario boat is a BEAUTIFUL boat. I wish I was in the market for it. If you ask Tom he can tell you every nut and bolt he put in it, he remembers all that stuff. It's worth more because it's been done in his shop. I would go for it.

 

[hattitude]

It looks like a great boat at a fair deal to me. I have only seen one 45C and while it's a great boat, I have a 46C and consider them pretty equal on comparison

My 46c is a 1980, with 8V71's @435HP. I get about .55 miles to the gallon at a cruising speed of 17kts at about 1850rpm. It tops at 22kts. My boat is quite comfortable and handles weather really well. It's good to fish or dive. I plan to repower when I retire in 5 years, but other than the old detroits, I love it and haven't seen too many newer boats I'd rather have. (unless of course maybe a 60' Hatt convertible)

The 1982 HiPo version, I believe, has extra stringer support, a slightly shorter keel, I thought I read once it had cored hull sides, all designed to take the higher horsepower. The interior layout is slightly different and "more modern" in some peoples opinions.

Boats like mine go for around 240-275K here in so cal. Given that boat's model, it's refit work by Slane, and it's apparent condition (based on the photos) I'd certainly have it at the top of my list.. in spite of the 8V92's. Like Karl said, take a few inches off the props and treat'em right and you should get good service out of them.

Good luck with the search

Bernie

 

[Liquid Asset]

I have the 650hp 8v92s and I get .45mpg at crusing speed which is 18-19kts depending on load. These engines run great, but they do use some fuel. I think if you dont like the fuel useage, then you wuld need to think about taking the props back and you can lighten the load on the engines and keep your fuel useage down. No matter what, these things are going to use some fuel. Granted, I have a much heavier boat being a 1982 50C, but those engines are much higher hp.

I think the price is right with all the work that has been done to the exterior. That is expensive work and has beend done right.

 

[Genesis]

Well what's clear to me is that the boat is "seriously" for sale. At that price with the work that's been done, its priced quite reasonably. If I was looking for one it'd be on my list to see, that's for sure, even with the hellish haul I'd have to make to get it home.

 

[ADaily3224]

Thanks Everyone for the great input and opinions:

I have lots of thinking to do. The boat is as nice as the pictures depict. It sits at the Bronte Harbor Marina, a beautiful place in Oakville Ontario. I have admired it for a couple years, before it showed up for sale. Plenty to think about. It's nice to find a classic Hatteras with an updated modern interior, done right, not cobbed up. Truthfully it looks new!

Merry Christmas to all.

Tony D

 

[Liquid Asset]

check out this 46C. Twin Man's

http://yachtauctions.com/detail.asp?stockNo=11998

 

[SeaEric]

Will be interesting to see what she actually sells for. The price listed is a "minimum bid". With a hailing port of Islamorada, Fl. I bet she's been in charter. Not a bad looking boat.

 

[Genesis]

All boats are compromises. You pick and choose which ones you want to make.... As for that other one, I wouldn't own a boat with MANs in it, but that's me....

 

[hcalmar]

Tony et al

If you need the encouragement I would be happy to help talk you into the 46C, it's a beauty and you were most persuasive with me and the 37C.

Merry Christmas All

Hal

 

[SKYCHENEY]

All boats are compromises. You pick and choose which ones you want to make.... As for that other one, I wouldn't own a boat with MANs in it, but that's me....

Guy next to me two years ago had a 50 Viking with MANs. They kept blowing turbo oil seals and putting oil all over his ER. He was really getting frustrated with them as they kept repairing them and telling him that the update would fix the problem, but it didn't. Then, that fall, I ran into a guy with a 65 Sunseeker with MANs. I don't know the problem, but it must have been ongoing since he limped into port, called the dealer and told him to come pick it up. He said he was done with it and would never own MANs again. Nothing but trouble, he said.

FWIW