Repower - good deal on rebuilt Cummins?

[ohiohatteras]

Does this sound like a good deal? And I'm pretty sure the trannys are too much.....


We have one or two engines available that can be rebuilt for you and could be rated at either 330hp or 370hp. These engines would have 12vdc starters and alternators, set-up for heat-exchanger cooling and have wet exhaust. These engines will have the following tasks done to them during the rebuild:

1. All parts cleaned and magna-fluxed as necessary
2. Cylinder walls are honed.
3. All new pistons , wrist pins and piston rings
4. All new exchange reman cylinder heads complete from Cummins
5. Reconditioned camshaft and lifters
6. Reconditioned crankshaft to std/std dimensions
7. New main and rod bearings
8. Rebuilt fuel injectors installed.
9. New seals, filters, belts and on-engine wiring harness.
10. Reconditioned, starters, alternators, fuel injection pump, and raw water pump.
11. Fuel pump is cleaned, inspected and re-calibrated for proper function.
12. Engines re-painted Cummins white .

13. Price for above package would be $16,920 USD each engine (bobtail) plus shipping from southern US location. Also available are two ZF220A gears in 2:1 that we can offer for only $3800 each shipping from alternate east coast US location.
14. The pilot house gauge panels are an additional $1078 USD per engine , if you needed them.
15. Warranty is 200-hours or 180 days from the rebuilder.
16. Lead-time for completion of rebuilding right now is about 3 weeks after receipt of order.

 

[Boatsb]

I think a 330b factory reman is not that much more with most new parts and a real warranty.

 

[Avenger]

Since you mention southern location; Make sure you google the outfit you're dealing with. There's a company in GA that has had a lot of issues under a previous name.

 

[Boatsb]

Since you mention southern location; Make sure you google the outfit you're dealing with. There's a company in GA that has had a lot of issues under a previous name.

And one in S Florida thats been told by Cummins more than once that they are not and have never been a dealer.


If I were doing it myself for my boat ( I have a friend with a machine shop) I would probably do a full rebuild with an old motor. My labor and the fact that its cool to do things like that are attractive.For customers Cummins has the reman program that give you almost everything "new" like the block, crank and most parts that wear with rebuilt and waranteed pumps and such. The shop almost never rebuilds an engine. We have been sent all the new parts from cummins to swap out a bad block under warranty. Guess how much the customer paid for that?

 

[saltshaker]

I think a 330b factory reman is not that much more with most new parts and a real warranty.

I don't know what the cost is but I'd look into the cost of Cummins remans first for the reasons Scott mentioned. Not sure what the gears should be but that doesn't sound like much. My TD5111 were 11K each in '02. I sold my used ZF gears for 5.5K at the same time. Sure they're a bit bigger than the ones listed here but can't imagine the cost being that much different parfticularly from 12 years ago.

 

[jim rosenthal]

I agree with Scott. Get factory remans. Whoever sells you those can also hook you up with gears and panels. Seaboard Marine has nice panels, check them out. They are also a Cummins dealer. The Cummins warranty on factory remans is far better than what these folks are offering, plus if they break, what are you going to do- pull them and send them back? Cummins dealers back up the remans, they will not do warranty work on these. The cost is not that much different, if it is different at all.

I don't think the price on the ZF gears is all that good, btw.

 

[ohiohatteras]

Here's the outfit I got the above quote from:

Doug Shupe
N5608 Cheyenne Dr.
Onalaska, WI. 54650
www.mymarinetracker.com
doug@mymarinetracker.com
608-783-2766

 

[saltshaker]

Here's the outfit I got the above quote from:

Doug Shupe
N5608 Cheyenne Dr.
Onalaska, WI. 54650
www.mymarinetracker.com
doug@mymarinetracker.com
608-783-2766

Contact your local Cummins dealer and find out what your options are for reman engines. They are much better than rebuilds. These are essential new engines not rebuilds. Price will not be much different from what you're being quoted and you'd have a Cummins factory warranty that far exceeds what any rebuilder could offer. I'd also call Mike Cobb at Key Power 888-463-0099. Mike sold me my TD gears and is an engine broker/dealer. My gears were brand new surplus gears. New crated and with full factory warranty. I paid less for the pair than one gear retailed new. He may have some different options for you as well. Great guy to deal with and a very smooth transaction. Tom Slane hooked me up with Mike when I was repowering my 46C in '01/'02.
FYI Just found an ad for Key Power in Boats and Harbors. Hope this helps.

KEY POWER SYSTEMS DDC/MTU, CAT, Cummins. Surplus new, used, rebuilt. Many models avail. Your source for all your engine needs. Many So. Fla. yacht repower removals. ZF Twin Disc & Allison gears avail. Contact Mike Cobb TL Free (888) 463-0099. E-mail: kpsi1@msn.com keypowersystems.us

 

[jim rosenthal]

FWIW, the factory warranty on remans (which are really not remans at all but basically new) is 2000 hrs or two years. From the Cummins site today.

 

[drburke]

x2 on Seaboard, Tony knows what he is doing and a great source of knowledge and parts.

PM sent.

DAN

 

[dsharp]

You don't know frustration until you pull a "rebuilt" engine out two or three times due to oil leaks, spun cam bearings, won't make power, etc. I spent more years than I care to remember at the family boatyard and a rebuild depends, in large part on the person doing the rebuild. I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't ran on a dyno first and from a company that could afford to stand behind a bad rebuild. With Cummins rebuild program available it really doesn't make any sense to buy anywhere else.

 

[Boatsb]

You don't know frustration until you pull a "rebuilt" engine out two or three times due to oil leaks, spun cam bearings, won't make power, etc. I spent more years than I care to remember at the family boatyard and a rebuild depends, in large part on the person doing the rebuild. I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't ran on a dyno first and from a company that could afford to stand behind a bad rebuild. With Cummins rebuild program available it really doesn't make any sense to buy anywhere else.

To expand on that.

For customers we offer cummins (in our area as a dealer we can not sell outisde our territory) with a required factory installation checkout. We have to document the installation and operation of the engines. We also offer engines from jasper who does a great job with remanufacturing engines but we usually only work with their gas engines although the do have a program for diesels.

Neither a customer or the shop will benefit when a homemade rebuild is having issues. Rebuilding a short or long block is not the same as a true reman like the cummins program. The fuel and cooling system alone are worth the difference.

Like I said earlier. If it was for my boat and I had the time to play I would do a rebuild. For a customer it is not worth it and the savings are minimal unless you have a machine shop.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Right. Getting the Cummins warranty (which is worth a great deal) depends on having them sign off on the installation. They also attend the sea trial and check out the engines while it is going on.

Scott, do you service the aftercoolers before you put the engines in?

 

[Boatsb]

Right. Getting the Cummins warranty (which is worth a great deal) depends on having them sign off on the installation. They also attend the sea trial and check out the engines while it is going on.

Scott, do you service the aftercoolers before you put the engines in?

If it's a new engine or a reman no need to survive the coolers. I do not put in old engines or used ones as the service liability would be too much. If you need to put in a used engine your probably doing it yourself for financial reasons.

 

[ohiohatteras]

Do any of you guys know a good place on Lake Erie or Southern/Eastern Lake Michigan you would trust with a diesel re-power?

 

[saltshaker]

Did you decide on an engine package yet?

 

[Boatsb]

Do any of you guys know a good place on Lake Erie or Southern/Eastern Lake Michigan you would trust with a diesel re-power?

How about the dealer that sold you the engines?

 

[34Hatt]

If it's a new engine or a reman no need to survive the coolers. I do not put in old engines or used ones as the service liability would be too much. If you need to put in a used engine your probably doing it yourself for financial reasons.

No offense Scotty but you don't seem to understand the issue's with the coolers they should be pulled apart and and greased when new save a lot of heartache do the road
Cummins build a great engine but it not perfect!

 

[Boatsb]

No offense Scotty but you don't seem to understand the issue's with the coolers they should be pulled apart and and greased when new save a lot of heartache do the road
Cummins build a great engine but it not perfect!

I'm pretty sure the remains have been properly "greased". The last few I installed did not need the coolers to be serviced. They also have a drain on them now to reduce the buildup.

We do have a guy that does a ton of warranty work for cummins. I will ask him if he still has issues with the coolers on the new and remans.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Some Cummins dealers service the aftercoolers before putting the engines into the boat. Seaboard does that. I had it done at about 250 hours.