YeeHaw

[Freeebird]

My mom used to say "little pitchers have big ears" be careful you don't turn Ryan into a maniac too. Emulating the old man before he learns ,that stove is going to burn ya, would not be good! Just sayin!

"Maniac too"? LOL

I'm actually very conservative when it comes to daredevil-type things, but I guess it's just a matter of personal opinion. I didn't feel like I was in any danger in those heavy seas, and I didn't feel like I was in any danger running the Allison, but there is an inherent risk in running at those speeds. Sort of like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, or riding a motorcycle period for that matter. I got to the point I wasn't even enjoying riding mine because of all the idiots who were out to kill me, and when the boy got old enough to ask me to take him for a ride, I sold it.

I too thought about that guy who died coming into Jupiter, and like this guy in the video, he looked to be coming in a little too hot for his own good. Made me think about those two boys who were lost at sea as well. Everything involves a calculated risk, so it's either do what you enjoy as safely as possible, or stay in bed.

 

[rsmith]

"Maniac too"? LOL

I'm actually very conservative when it comes to daredevil-type things, but I guess it's just a matter of personal opinion. I didn't feel like I was in any danger in those heavy seas, and I didn't feel like I was in any danger running the Allison, but there is an inherent risk in running at those speeds. Sort of like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, or riding a motorcycle period for that matter. I got to the point I wasn't even enjoying riding mine because of all the idiots who were out to kill me, and when the boy got old enough to ask me to take him for a ride, I sold it.

I too thought about that guy who died coming into Jupiter, and like this guy in the video, he looked to be coming in a little too hot for his own good. Made me think about those two boys who were lost at sea as well. Everything involves a calculated risk, so it's either do what you enjoy as safely as possible, or stay in bed.

just becareful out there.

 

[capttonyf]

Haulover Inlet in North Miami can be very bad as well. If there is an outgoing tide and a strong
east wind it looks like a set of whoops on a Motocross track. My mother use to live in the
Harbor House on the 6th floor on the north side of the building and I'd sit there and watch all the boats
struggle. I don't know the actual CG Statistics but it seemed like a few boats a month sunk there.

Tony

 

[Boatsb]

"Maniac too"? LOL

I'm actually very conservative when it comes to daredevil-type things, but I guess it's just a matter of personal opinion. I didn't feel like I was in any danger in those heavy seas, and I didn't feel like I was in any danger running the Allison, but there is an inherent risk in running at those speeds. Sort of like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, or riding a motorcycle period for that matter. I got to the point I wasn't even enjoying riding mine because of all the idiots who were out to kill me, and when the boy got old enough to ask me to take him for a ride, I sold it.

I too thought about that guy who died coming into Jupiter, and like this guy in the video, he looked to be coming in a little too hot for his own good. Made me think about those two boys who were lost at sea as well. Everything involves a calculated risk, so it's either do what you enjoy as safely as possible, or stay in bed.

I'm still a daredevil. I dare the devil ( my wife ) all the time.

Seriously though. After all the times I ran boats over 100 mph and survived. All the bruises and broken motor parts and I never was seriously hurt. Maybe I was a bit conservative but I try to think of it as me being a talented pilot instead of a lucky passenger.

 

[Avenger]

http://youtu.be/n2BsevU1Y_U

That's the one.

Derek's Accident Analysis: "The Drawback to Palm Beach Style Controls"

When the boat went over the wave, the Captain tried to pull back the throttles. With the levers on the sides of the helm pod this requires letting go of the wheel. When the boat broached and heeled to port the Captain (standing) was thrown off balance and fell towards the port side of the bridge with his hands still on the engine controls, and now hanging on for support. That motion caused him to twist the levers, putting the port engine in a high throttle position in forward, and pulled the stbd engine into reverse also possibly increasing throttle. This further accelerated the turn to stbd. Note how the boat spins in a tight circle until the mate gets to the bridge and regains control. The lack of a bar between the rear hardtop support and the wing of the bridge was no help to help prevent the captain from being ejected from the boat.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. And why I don't like Palm Beach Style controls.

 

[Freeebird]

Wasn't it determined the guy died of a heart attack? Not taking anything away from being tossed off the bridge, but it seems that was listed as the cause of death.

 

[rsmith]

He was on life support for several days after from head trauma according to the paper at the time.

 

[rsmith]

Here it is just as Scroddy described play by play

 

[rsmith]

Couple more

 

[rsmith]

Over the side

 

[rsmith]

In the water

 

[rsmith]

All over

 

[Freeebird]

Seems the investigation came to a different conclusion.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...ptain-for-two-decades-charter-boat-large-wave

 

[Avenger]

Don't see much different there, other than the journalistic lack of details. Driving over the wave and broaching was the beginning of the end. I was just looking at the mechanics and the sequence of events.

 

[rsmith]

This is one of those reasons a boat needs a keel.

 

[captddis]

And railings!

 

[Freeebird]

Don't see much different there, other than the journalistic lack of details. Driving over the wave and broaching was the beginning of the end. I was just looking at the mechanics and the sequence of events.

True, and I agree about Palm Beach controls. Was it confirmed this boat was set up like that?

 

[Avenger]

If you zoom on some of the pics you can see the controls. The port side control lever is visible. The stbd control is not as clear, but the violent spinning of the boat after the loss of the captain would indicate more than just the wheel turned.

 

[Freeebird]

I can see the benefits of that arrangement (sort of) when it comes to docking or any reverse maneuver, but beyond that, it seems inherently dumb to have controls set up to where you can't operate both throttles while holding the wheel. I like single lever controls as long as they're together and can be operated with one hand like on my 41.

 

[capttonyf]

If you look you can see the port side control appears to be in full forward. I like the styling of the split single lever "Palm Beach" Style controls but I don't like the fact that you can't control both throttles at 1 time without taking your hands off the wheel.

The only benefit other than styling I see is Backing up, and not sure that's much of a benefit. I have two throttles on one side and two clutches on the other and I can back up standing sideways or completly turned around. I have a choice on how I want to do it, with the split single lever "Palm Beach" Controls you have NO choice backing up other then to be completely turned around.

I don't know about you guys but 95+% of my boating is going forward so I personally don't care one way or the other. I would just run what's on the boat and wouldn't spend money to change anything out for a different set either way.

Also, does anyone know why there would NOT be a railing from the side of the bridge to the Tower Leg. Sometimes common sense is forgotten when it comes to trying to make a boat have cleaner, less cluttered lines. That is so crazy to me, not only is it not safe offshore, but a simple mistake at the dock could spell disaster. Owners with boats without railings on the bow and especially on the bridge I think are just asking for trouble. One simple railing, one simple aluminum pipe from the Bridge to the Tower Leg could've saved this guys life. I like the look of a Bow with no Rails, but I wouldn't own a boat without Bow Rails. One slip on a wet bow could send you overboard, at least with a rail you have a chance.

Tony