Whats the latest on your condition in the North East with Sandy?

[saltshaker]

ConEd strategic planner response to my question twenty years ago about what would happen with another 1938 Long Island Express. "Just about everything seaward of the Southern State Parkway would be destroyed, luck is a wonderful thing."

Sad part is there was no reason for the damage to Staten Island, Hudson located NJ, and Manhattan. London, Rotterdam and many other great cities have hurricane flood gates, we could have had them also. But, just too stupid, cheap or shortsighted I guess.

How would you build a gate to cover that large of an area? It's about 7 miles from the tip of Sandy Hook to Breezy Point. Even with a gate there you would be relying on Sandy Hook and the Rockaways to hold the water back. Most of the damage is along the coastal areas in NJ and NY. A flood gate wouldn't have stopped that. Don't forget about all the damage from wind. We lost a lot of trees which caused most of the power outages. I'm all for prevention and preparedness, but we can't prepare for every situation. Storms like Sandy are pretty rare in the NY/NJ area. I've had a boat in NJ since '88. Every year there's a story about what would happen if we got hit by a major hurricane. Since I've been here that hasn't happened. They usually loose strength when they get up this way. They also tend to move east of us. Sandy was a freak storm unlike anything we've seen before. It was a rare combination of weather systems that caused it to increase strength even after it was over colder waters and went inland. I've never seen a storm that big make such a sharp turn. Mother nature is tough to beat. I guess it was our turn.

 

[hyperfishing]

Yep, nothing can be done to protect the coastal areas, just NYC, Staten Island etc. with a hurricane gate system. Sad part is, as the seas rise, storm damage will get more common.

I hate to see what the shoreside insurance rates will be.

 

[rsmith]

Yep, nothing can be done to protect the coastal areas, just NYC, Staten Island etc. with a hurricane gate system. Sad part is, as the seas rise, storm damage will get more common.

I hate to see what the shoreside insurance rates will be.

WTF does a happenstance storm have to do with "seas rising"? Its natures way of cleaning out dead wood so new life can grow.

 

[bobk]

WTF does a happenstance storm have to do with "seas rising"? Its natures way of cleaning out dead wood so new life can grow.

It'll probably help the prices on used boats too with some of the old ones gone. Has anyone seen an estimate of the number of boats that were totaled?

Bobk

 

[SeaEric]

I would bet that maybe only 30% of the lost boats might be replaced. The rest will take the insurance money (pay off the boat loan?) and not replace the boat.

 

[TROUBLE]

I could be wrong but there were a lot of boats in my marina that apeared to be ok until a few days after the storm

Art

 

[34Hatt]

I could be wrong but there were a lot of boats in my marina that apeared to be ok until a few days after the storm

Art

On that note it seems my response saying

Talked to Bob today Magic Hat that's the 34 above it is upright water into the galley. Sounds like she will be back next spring.

I was wrong they totaled it and it was insured for a lot more than he would be able to sell it in this market. It is bitter sweet Bob has battled the E10 B.S new tank's and new cockpit that I put in. Then busted crank so two good running takes out put in then a freak problem with distributor jumping up lose clamp and lost oil pressure. New motor put in last year and just two years back had the Top side all redone and fresh paint. Then this year was going to be the year to use her and he had health problem then this
If anyone wants a nice 34C cheap speak up now!

They boat does not look that bad at all motors are suppose to be still good no water got into them starter wet Genny wet, battery's, galley floor shot re-frig shot but it adds up and they chose to total it. They even did two surveys with different guys but it added up to to much $$$ with parts and labor.

 

[Boatsb]

Its a shame after dong so much work. When you take into account the cost of replacing everything damaged including labor it just goes too high. I wonder how many Hatteras will be lost from this mess.

How did the water get in? Was it from the drain.s or did she flounder?

 

[UNIQUE_NAME]

On that note it seems my response saying





I was wrong they totaled it and it was insured for a lot more than he would be able to sell it in this market. It is bitter sweet Bob has battled the E10 B.S new tank's and new cockpit that I put in. Then busted crank so two good running takes out put in then a freak problem with distributor jumping up lose clamp and lost oil pressure. New motor put in last year and just two years back had the Top side all redone and fresh paint. Then this year was going to be the year to use her and he had health problem then this
If anyone wants a nice 34C cheap speak up now!

They boat does not look that bad at all motors are suppose to be still good no water got into them starter wet Genny wet, battery's, galley floor shot re-frig shot but it adds up and they chose to total it. They even did two surveys with different guys but it added up to to much $$$ with parts and labor.

that's a shame especially after everything he's been thru. shes still a nice looking boat.

 

[lumina]

that's a shame especially after everything he's been thru. shes still a nice looking boat.

Hi All,

My best wishes to Bob.....hope he can bounce back and find another Hatt to love and care for.

 

[34Hatt]

Its a shame after dong so much work. When you take into account the cost of replacing everything damaged including labor it just goes too high. I wonder how many Hatteras will be lost from this mess.

How did the water get in? Was it from the drain.s or did she flounder?

She was put away for the winter Wrapped, winterized and drain plug out

They always say plug the plug on land B.S I never pull mine turned into the anchor wash down. If you cover it why pull the plug plus we have self bailing deck so why

 

[jim rosenthal]

I agree with Jack. I think the idea of building a sea gate or sea wall is laughable. For far less than the cost of building such a structure (which might protect the area intended, but might just move the storm surge to another unprotected area as well) you could relocate all the communities affected by the recent unpleasantness and return the shoreside areas to other uses- like beaches, which is what they were to begin with.

I think the idea of building a barrier, moveable or otherwise, is a classic example of working against nature and the laws of physics rather than with them. A useful inducement to relocating the folks in the affected areas would be to offer to reimburse them at 100% if they move to a non-flood-zone area, and terminate the flood insurance program for those areas with a warning period of a year or two. It is ridiculous that we as taxpayers keep paying people to rebuild houses that are a few dozen feet from the ocean or gulf. It is the ultimate in shortsighted thinking. If sighted at all....blind might be a better word.

 

[Avenger]

They always say plug the plug on land B.S I never pull mine turned into the anchor wash down. If you cover it why pull the plug plus we have self bailing deck so why

That's awful about Magic Hatt. Not something Bob or anybody needs.

I'm starting to think you're right about leaving the plug in for something like this. I left the plug out of the runabout expecting it to fill with rain. Instead, it floated off it's blocks and promptly sank, drowning the engine. It's not self-bailing, but I coud have stuck a battery in it to run the bilge pump just for the storm.

Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Jaxfishgyd]

So the folks at Breezy Point, N.Y. have received notices of "Failure to maintain" their knocked down homes.... Classy

 

[jim rosenthal]

Isn't that nice. I think if I was there and saw someone hanging that on what was left of my house, I'd turn into Clete Purcel for a few moments....

 

[saltshaker]

So the folks at Breezy Point, N.Y. have received notices of "Failure to maintain" their knocked down homes.... Classy

Isn't faailure to maintain referring to no or inadequate insurance coverage? I thought it was in reference to the home owner being responsible for their damages because they either didn't secure proper coverage or they let the policy lapse. Or is there some other meaning to this?

 

[lisanet]

I wish everyone good luck