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USCG __ Wild and Crazy Guys

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Your right... At the very least they shouldn't of been sitting in a lane... I couldn't think that they wouldn't of moved, they had to of known you was coming on radar and just planned to move when someone came by... What about people driving by autopilot and radar at night? I mean hell someone could of been attaching them... Kinda silly... Who knows

I agree more people should be out on the boat... Myself and 2 other guys on my dock really "use" the boat... the others just sit at dock...

Quote{ I would of hit it just to take a quick look with the light, notice USCG, and with no vhf contact to "motor vessel" i would of acted like i didn't see them and shutup, changed course and moved on End Quote

Dude, I have one engine and limited turning ability with a 200+ foot ship a couple hundred or less yards away all with the Gulf Stream playing its game.

If my wife had been on watch I think she would have hit them unless they moved. She, and probably a lot of non-Navy trained or experienced seamen, would have hit them unless they moved first. It was pitch black and they were blacked out laying across the bow.

Some of you guys need to get your boats off the docks and quit living in theory where everything works out and cruise a little.

Night cruising always scares me. Losing an engine always scares me. Random stuff in the surf at night scares me. Weather scares me. My government does not need to intentionally scare me while I have all of the above in play. They have plenty of opportunities to check on my slow poke boat and its cargo without a mid sea collision threat.

Bruce
Freestyle
1976 43 DCMY
Tampa
 
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From the sounds of it, they seem to be on a higher alert past few weeks... Nice to know they are out there and not at some dock... Any how, must be fun in any case...



thks for the advice about cruising... i rarely stay at the dock more than a few days in a row...

these guys know that they're doing, they're not going to put themself in a position where you could have hit them... they have far more equipement on board than you and probably more training as well.

what i called irresponsible was the comment about sending the coastie looking thru night vision to sick bay...

funny how the bad guys can run without lights, overloaded, overcrowded vessels but some feel the USCG can't use he same tactics to protect us...

I've encountered one of they big Ribs running in the dark around here... the big one with the alum cabin... frankly, I was happy too. indeed out tax dollars at work doing what they are supposed to be doing instead of being ambushed by a no wake sign or conducting random boarding.
 
this is true... but we have already given them all the power... lol kinda hard to take it away now...


with each passing day I become more and more fed up with the government...and I'm only 23 and just dealing with nothing building inspectors lol

Guess I just have a slight problem with people telling me what to do all the time....maybe I have more in common than I thought with the founding fathers (besides being blessed by being born a Virginian).
 
I fish with a 20 year veteran of the USCG and have a little insight. Yes they are looking for drugs and other contraband. They are on the sword grounds quite often down there and lots of people have encounters with the USCG. They can be blacked and will also launch on smaller boats that are not picked up easly on radar and will approach your boat within yards. They also can and will board a boat then procede to knock on the pilot house door in the middle of the night(I would most likely soil myself if that happened :D ). While at first you may think they are playing cat/mouse games in the end they are looking out for our safety. I see nothing wrong with turning on your lights, as it is doubtful they are looking at you with standard night vision. I would call on 16 to the USCG and state what you have and where. Do not be surprised if they step on your transmission to protect their location though. Make no doubt about it they are not going to let you hit them. They are trying to see how you react. Do not forget the smugglers know the USCG is doing this. Also, they do not have some top secret vision that sees in your boat, the USCG is way underfunded for cool stuff like that. If you decide to be "Billy bad az" you will end up having a really bad night. They are doing their jobs and are very professional. It is in your best interest to do the same ;) ......
 
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Thoward is spot on! In 40+ years of boating my personal good/bad encounter ratio with the USCG is better than 100/1. (we see a lot of them with Miami on the transom). I have noticed that in the last year, they seem more interested in who we are, where we are from/going, etc. Even was asked for SS numbers on one recent boarding in NC, and told they were building a data base. I'm not worried about the USCG, but do do worry about hackers and computer thieves. If you all saw some of the threat info I saw before retiring from the DON, you would be glad the coasties are out there and especially glad they are dark. Freedom is not free. Best Regards, Bob K
 
"The issue to me is a member of this forum calling another member irresponsible. Pascal was way out of line!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and joking about "sending a kid to sick bay" is not out of line ?

actually... shining a bright light on the bridge of any vessel is irresponsible...
 
Pascal you should simply apologize for your assinine statement. That would be the manly thing to do! You are out of line and I do not appreciate it at all. It reflects poorly on this site to say the least.

Don't take his shinning a light on this vessel out of context. It was not illuminated it was blocking his path. He did not know who or what until he shinned a light on it. Sitting at your desk monday quaterbacking it is pretty easy. Pacal they ought to toss you off this forum for that stupid remark!!
 
Garyd it is not Monday morning quarterbacking. They are out here quite often and what I wrote is how to deal with them from the horses mouth. Be glad it was not Homeland Security. From what I have seen they will not be near as friendly as the coasties if they pay you a visit. Those boys have some awesome interception boats and are well armed. I see nothing wrong with turning on lights as I turned on 4 500W spreader lights when they shadowed me. I would not leave a spot light aimed at the bridge of any boat much less a USCG boat unless you really want to see if your boat is fully Coast Guard compliant.
 
"The issue to me is a member of this forum calling another member irresponsible. Pascal was way out of line!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and joking about "sending a kid to sick bay" is not out of line ?

actually... shining a bright light on the bridge of any vessel is irresponsible...


Shining a light on a Blacked out object that pops up in front of you is irresponsible!!!!!!! What are you kidding wake up he had No Idea what it was until he turned the light on then he shut it off!!!! He did everything correct Pascal just apologize before you go any deeper into this!
 
lol, you guys are almost as bad as my buddies on the VT car club forum!


I think we all can agree that we ARE MUCH SAFER because these guys are out there burning bazillions of tax dollars...note sarcasm.
 
I think we all can agree that we ARE MUCH SAFER because these guys are out there burning bazillions of tax dollars...note sarcasm.

If you really feel they are a waste of money, be sure not to call them when you or your families life is on the line. I sure would hate to see them have to maintain a helicopter just to save a life...a little more sobering sarcasim.
 
I believe the waste of money is when millions of dollars are spent trying to find a mountain climber or a person in a rowboat trying to cross the Atlantic.

If you want to set a record do it on your dime not mine. If you want to climb a mountain leave a bond with the S&R guys to cover the cost of your stupidity.

The coasties are not only our friends but can be our saviors. Responsible boaters will have trouble now and then and should have their help when needed.

We all have seen floating junk in the water. Some of us have even hit some of it. They are there to help the ones unlucky enough to have a problem.

I was in a boat off Islamorada that was swamped by a rogue wave and then the engine would not go over 600 rpm so the second wave put it under. No one could be faulted as the engine oil sensor decided to fail at the wrong time.

Needless to say the coasties came and towed me and the cubans for a mile until the boat was dry and then handed us off to the towboat when we were out of danger.
 
It appears the thread has digressed into a debate over the value of the USCG. I'm not sure any experienced boater would question the value or necessity for the USCG. I thought the thread was about an alleged USCG vessel operating improperly/illegally regarding Rules of the Road. Of course the USCG is a great service, providing necessary assistance in all of their missions for our nation. This important support does not justify operating in a manner inconsistent with maritime regulations and safe practices - NO MATTER their drug interdiction roles. I managed military drug interdiction operations for Michigan in partnership with DEA, FBI, US Attorney, OPP, USCG, various Sheriff, state police and other agencies. At no time do drug interdiction operations warrant dangerous or illegal operations in support of the mission. That inclues aircraft, maritime and land-based surveillance operations.
 
Yep.

I am in FULL support of our military, which happens to include the USCG.

However, that support does NOT extend to illegal and blatently unsafe acts. Intentionally placing your vessel across the bow of another vessel at reasonably close range WHILE BLACKED OUT AT NIGHT is both illegal AND blatently unsafe.

I don't care WHAT mission they are engaged in. IF they want to board me (and I HAVE been boarded by the USCG here, they have been totally professional and reasonable people) that's fine.

Its NOT fine when they place my vessel and complement in danger intentionally, irrespective of the circumstances.

IMHO this incident deserves a letter to the CO.
 
Yep some folks want to change this into a support thing. Somehow they just don't want to acknowledge the fact the boat was unlit, unidentified, and lying across his bow in the middle of the night. While the guy was just trying to struggle back on one engine.

I believe they call this fault shifting Clinton was great at it. You screw up but instead of admitting that, you just attack they guy that didn't screw up and try to get everybody against him. LOL
 
Hey Paul how the heck ya doing?

Please don't confuse the issue here. No one is saying that we don't or won't support our boys. The issue to me is a member of this forum calling another member irresponsible. Pascal was way out of line!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought that little dink he made was pretty cool. Now I wouldn't take one if he gave it to me.

I could see your buddy Chris now going oh I'm so sorry you pulled your unlit boat in front of mine causing me to react so I didn't ram you. Oh pardon me my fault for trying to get my boat back on one engine minding my own business, how untoughtful of me. Ya right.

The Coasties are there for our protection not there to scare us.

Keep feeding them donuts and coffe and see what they do when you accidently put an extra drop of oil or diesel in the water. When your paying the $25,000.00-$35,000.00 fine remember to keep supporting them. LOL

Anyway have a wedding in a couple of weeks in myrtle beach how far is that from you? Like to stop in and see your digs.


Hey Gary,

Man I have been about busy down at the marina. Today makes 53 days straight without a day off. I did manage 3-4 early nights leaving about 5-6 pm and a couple late mornings coming in about 9-10 am !!!

The good news is that I am going to Lake James near Asheville this Thursday afternoon thru Sunday. Relaxing, jet skiing and sleeping. Taking my daughter . Becky will run the marina with some help from my folks and probably from some of the marina live-a-boards.

One big happy family.

But hey, this is the season and we are committed to service. We stay open from 7am till 8 pm 7 days a week.

Did you finally get all that veneer installed ?

Myrtle beach is about 2 hours from us. Really good chance I will be at the marina......LOL

It would be great if you could make the trip.

The number at Swan Point is 910-327-1081


As far as this thread goes, I may have taken something out of context. My apologies if I offended anyone.
 
The thread has hit an Orwellian civil liberties debate.

I don't like being patted down at NFL games. I don't like USCG or other law enforcement looking throught the walls of my home. My dislike stems from the 1984 slippery slope argument regarding the loss of civil liberties in the effort to thwart fictional evil.

That said, I like them protecting our shores from illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and terrorists landing on our shores.

Last month, I stood in airport security with Bob Dole who made fun of every search of every obviously elderly or ordinary citizen. He had me laughing so hard I looked suspicious. As we approached the belt, he said to me "Watch them use the wand to find all of the metal the Nazis hid in me". His great sense of humor did not disguise his digust of the inefficiency of the protection process.

After reflecting on the posts, I think my initial post is a little whiny. We can't have it both ways and we really do not want to give the troops on the line a lot of discretionary decision making power. It renders them less effectual and opens the possibility of some of our society's worst behaviors.

So, if under way at night expect the unexpected visit and you won't end up as upset as I was.

Bruce
Freestyle
1976 43 DCMY
Tampa
 
If you really feel they are a waste of money, be sure not to call them when you or your families life is on the line. I sure would hate to see them have to maintain a helicopter just to save a life...a little more sobering sarcasim.

I think you read into my comment a little to much. I think the coast guard is amazing...so much in fact that I actually went to a recruiter this past winter trying to start a packet to get a commission (turns out I'm med DQ...2 waivers would be damn tough to get). They are the least dysfunctional of all the services and do the most with the least $$. Hopefully this efficiency (did I just say that in regards to government?) doesn't change now that the CG is under dept of Homeland joke-ery.

The coast guard saves lives and does it amazingly well. I am very thankful for this. However, the politicians that have been feeding this "war on drugs" have IMHO undermined the greatness of the CG. This is taking a quick curve into left field, but as a college student that sees at least 50% of college kids that occasionally use the herb, I honestly think the laws and wasteful spending needs to be changed.

PS: the coastie pilots (especially the helicopter ones) are the true badasses of the skies.
 
Class act Bruce!
 
Not to stir the pot....but I have a couple questions/comments on this
1. Why would you leave West End with only a single engine for an overnight passage? West End to Lauderdale is about 70 nautical miles and we have over 13 hours of daylight right now. With a speed of 5 knots over ground that trip is about 14 hours add another hour or 2 with gulfstream. Palm Beach is only 55 miles.
2. Why would you leave for an overnight passage with radar that is blind to the stern? Many container ships with a cruise speed much greater than 5 knots are out in that very busy area. I think you should purchase a new radar.
3. I think you should purchase a new radar if you did not see a very large contact less than 2 miles dead ahead of you. 300 yards=.14nautical/.17statute(approx) @ 5 knots the 300 yards would be closed in under 2 minutes, had it been a containership (most have dark or black hulls) you would be thanking that same cutter for pulling your @$$ out of the water.
4. There was no "kid" sent to sick bay (should read American Soldier) from your Q-beam(s). "Infra red" is a thermal imaging device used to detect temperature differential. Your Q-beam(s) will just read a different color on the scope.
5. "I tracked a few targets on either side of my bow but had this strange feeling something trailed me which at 5 knots means you will see them"
*I have no idea what you are talking about and are unable to comment

6.whaler23
Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 211
"How would you know what it is without lighting it up? The CG knows that
if it's gonna run around stalking boats without lights it's gonna occasionally get blasted with someone elses... Irresponsible, I don't think so."
*If at 300 yards you can see it...you can tell it is a cutter and you should be steering clear. If you cannot...you should not be boating after midinight in the gulfstream. If your radar is not telling you something is less than 2 miles dead ahead, I think it is time for a new radar.

7. garyd
Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 405

If anyone was acting iressponsibly it was the Coast Guard. With the equipment they must of had on board they knew exactly what they were dealing with. In my opinion they were acting in a threatening manner. They were lucky they didn't provoke Freestyle into protecting his family if they were on board.
*I am not even going to touch this one

8. Genesis
PoohBah Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,799

"Running blacked out is illegal as hell no matter who you are. Yes, including the USCG."
*you are very wrong

"BTW, it used to be both fairly common (and legal) for private citizens and corporations to keep cannons."
*yes and all ships had sails

9. #9 Yesterday, 11:50 AM
garyd
Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 405

"The captain of the CG cutter could of done this:

Slide up beside freestyle from behind with a bull horn and said captain this is the USCG ship stealth we want to maintain radio silence and run silent and dark. We will follow you close behind for awhile. Close enough so our radar image and yours blends and looks like one.

If you are going to maintain this present course and speed flash for nav lights twice. Thanks Captain enjoy your evening USCG cutter Stealth out."
*what movie did you think you were watching?

10. #10 Yesterday, 12:12 PM
Tawney1
Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 87
"I have never cruised at night"
*exactly

11. #13 Yesterday, 04:34 PM
neosin
Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 102

I would of hit it just to take a quick look with the light, notice USCG, and with no vhf contact to "motor vessel" i would of acted like i didn't see them and shutup, changed course and moved on.
*also exactly

12. #15 Yesterday, 05:30 PM
StratPlan61
Senior Member Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 292
"IF what you observed was indeed a USCG/USNAVY vessel, it was clearly operating in an illegal manner and an unsafe manner. I would have hailed the vessel twice via VHF and hearing no response would have also lit him up with wahtever lights I could use. In addition, I would file a formal complaint with the USCG Captain of the Port for that maritime security area.
Professional military leaders do not operate their vessels, aircraft or other surveillence assets in this manner - and if found to be doing so need to be called via formal complaint for such practice.
Way too many LE personnel already believe they can operate above the law - it's BS and must be vigorously pursued by the 'silent majority'!!"
*another one not worth commenting on
 

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