Thinking of buying 85ft. Hatt extended MY

[krush]

Are you in South Florida? I need to talk to you within the next few weeks and roll around a few ideas since you have about the same boat (I think you do, right?). .

You're mixing me up with somebody else (not sure who). I have a recently aquired 1968 41c. It has the original dark wood interior (and I do like it). Now, I've been in a lot of boats and RV's. In fact, my RV has oak interior and is very light...and my friend has similar RV with walnut (much darker). The "feel" is just much happier with the lighter wood. I'd own a boat with lighter wood too. Light finishes in the hallway make a huge difference. Hard to believe something so simple could make such a change, but it does.

Many people don't like the lighter wood interior on newer hatts because it's not traditional. BUT (just my opinion), it does make the space feel more open and happy. I think the problem is that in some cases, there is just too much light wood. Maybe break it up with pictures or something?!??

I'm not an artist, i'm an enginerd....so I take logic to appearances most of the time. But I've watched enough of them crazy TV house re-do shows to see that a change of paint and a few cheesey easy-to-make shelfs or etc here and there, new furniture, and a hideous room can look amazing!

 

[WA2DDL]

A Roamer of this size is a completely different animal. It would be aluminum, which introduces an entirely new level of complexity and risk. I think you should stick to FRP boats. If you want an aluminum boat, you might be wise to do some reading up on them. FRP is at least inert chemically in water. Aluminum immediately begins trying to dissolve into its component molecules.

We re going to view a Roamer tomorrow. But, I agree with you that aluminum is problematic, just here in Florida the aircraft corrosion is astounding, so you are speaking to the choir.
So, then why am I looking at Roamer? My Dad owed a Chris in the 60's...would like to go aboard and see what it has to offer. I'll probably stay with FRP.

 

[WA2DDL]

I would recommend you listen to him. I bought a "modified" boat back in 2004 and the handling was a nightmare, I should have know better but wanted a live aboard boat. It was great for that but when ever you took it out the handling was dramatically different from a non modified Chris Craft Roamer. Tread lightly with any modification to the original design of a hull.

Those are well spoken words, if we get to a sea trial, I'll have a better idea of what it has to offer, problem is that there is no real trial like your first storm.

 

[WA2DDL]

You're mixing me up with somebody else (not sure who). I have a recently aquired 1968 41c. ....so I take logic to appearances most of the time. But I've watched enough of them crazy TV house re-do shows to see that a change of paint and a few cheesey easy-to-make shelfs or etc here and there, new furniture, and a hideous room can look amazing!

Hmm...apologies. I thought you were in Miami with a streteched 78 ft. Hatt.

 

[WA2DDL]

One thing the Bluewater did not have was Blisters. How much of a problem is this with the Hatts?

 

[GaryNW]

We are much out of my size and budget range here, but we're talking boats-so I cannot resist throwing out a few thoughts. First We have not discussed if we are operating at displacement speeds here or we really think we are going to plane. If displacement, the extra length could actually improve economy. You know 1.34 x sq root of WL length. Now if we have dreams of plaining, we got all that extra weight and all that crazy extra bouancy aft. I don't see how this works, assuming original design was spot-on.

I know many of these extensions are done, and a lot of respected and expereinced yards are involved. But 15' is a lot as others have stated. With rec boats, anything goes it seems. Consider such a move for a commercial fishing boat. Any Deadliest Catch fans down there? The famous Northwestern, build be Marco of Seattle in 1977 was 108' at launch. She has been extended twice by 8' each time to accomodate increased quota of crab. I'm such several million each time. Well, NA involvement is a must. The USCG will need to see a stack of paperwork. The insurance company may actually have a guy leave the office and pay a visit, assuming he can actually find the waterfront. And of course here we have the advantage of steel. They can add the new right where the NA wants it. Gotta be new shaft at least, and total replumb of the holds, bigger pumps, etc, etc.

None of this occurs, it seems, with pleasure craft.

I have no idea why a couple needs such a big boat, but I am not married! But curious- if you need this size, why not buy an oldie (Hatt of course) that was that size out of the factory?

Gary

 

[Boatsb]

This boat is not a gasser. There is no real benefit to running a single engine. Many drawbacks and longevity on diesels is not an issue at hull speed.

The design of old hatts is right on. They were made to run on 2 engines at all speeds. They also steer better with 2 engines as the rudders are small for a single.

When I was docked by the barge canal in the middle of all the ridiculous speed limits I almost never had the chance to plane for months at a time. No big deal. I put hundreds of hours on with no issues and was able to plane when we ran further from the slow zones. I never ran on one engine and I have twin disk transmissions. I burned so little fuel on the engines , the genny burned as much or more.


Plan on using the boat as it was designed.

 

[WA2DDL]

This boat is not a gasser. There is no real benefit to running a single engine. Many drawbacks and longevity on diesels is not an issue at hull speed.

I never ran on one engine and I have twin disk transmissions. I burned so little fuel on the engines , the genny burned as much or more.


Plan on using the boat as it was designed.

I'll certainly give it consideration; you guys know more about these than I do; that's why I am here.
Gotta run, looking at aluminum can at 1 today

 

[nautibake]

...I know many of these extensions are done, and a lot of respected and expereinced yards are involved. But 15' is a lot as others have stated. With rec boats, anything goes it seems. Consider such a move for a commercial fishing boat. Any Deadliest Catch fans down there? The famous Northwestern, build be Marco of Seattle in 1977 was 108' at launch. She has been extended twice by 8' each time to accomodate increased quota of crab. I'm such several million each time. Well, NA involvement is a must. The USCG will need to see a stack of paperwork. The insurance company may actually have a guy leave the office and pay a visit, assuming he can actually find the waterfront. And of course here we have the advantage of steel. They can add the new right where the NA wants it. Gotta be new shaft at least, and total replumb of the holds, bigger pumps, etc, etc.

None of this occurs, it seems, with pleasure craft...
Gary

The cockpit extension discussion and debate is so interesting. I was searching for info and came across this example that was supposedly completed by Hatteras back at the factory. From the listing:

" Hatteras cockpit motor yacht that began life as a 65′, then Hatteras added the 9′ cockpit extension at the factory. *She is now 74 feet with a large aft deck and a much larger master stateroom."

IF I were going to go thru with an extension on our 58, I would love to have it look even remotely like this one:



Also interesting that it is all above the water line:

 

[krush]

What the hell is it with all these single engine runners lately? Freebird must have been out cross-pollinating.

http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/sh...Allison-Transmission-oil-pump-with-engine-off

 

[WA2DDL]

The light interior makes it feel bigger and no like a dungeon. It may grow on you. A few accents to break it up and i'm sure it would look super.

You know, Krush...I am beginning to think you are really on to something here. Having looked at the video that "Trouble" posted for me and thinking about what you said above, my wife and I are now considering this boat with much more seriousness than before.
If you get rid of the furniture, rip out the carpet and go over everything with soap and water followed with Clorox and water, lay some wood flooring and new furniture...this just might take less money to bring it up to snuff than originally thought.
Are you in South Florida? I need to talk to you within the next few weeks and roll around a few ideas since you have about the same boat (I think you do, right?). Would like to stop by and see the boat when you have some time.
What is it called when all lines intersect to a common point?...the Bermuda triangle or something? Anyway, Thanks

Yeah, sorry Krush, that was supposed to be for tonyKrakovich.
Tony...you around? Can I PM you?

 

[tonytrakovich]

Just PM'd you

 

[davidwigler]

I moved up from a 38 to a 58 to live aboard six years ago. I have a covered slip. The learning curve to handle it was surprisingly quick. The MY is very maneuverable and I can single handle it in good conditions. Still, it's a lot of work to take it out. I used to take the 38 out often for a one hour cruise. Not so often any more. Of course, I'm older (60). I used to disparagingly use the phrase "floating condo" but it is my floating home. Sometimes I do miss the smaller boat for short rides.

Over the years I have thought about moving up to a 70 but the 58 has sufficient space for me. I would be very concerned about single handling anything over 70' particularly with a hull extension and questionable handling. Open water is fine but you have to dock the thing in a marina now and then in wind and current.

 

[Pascal]

I ve never understood this. When I bought my 53 14 years ago, I moved from a 37 express. The 53 isn't harder to take out than the smaller boat was. Same number of lines, same 50amp cord, two engines and one Genset to start. Exactly the same work.

Even the 84 footer I run now is no different and no harder to take out although the 100amp shore power takes a little more effort to reel in. Otherwise, no difference with my ole 37 footer.

Most of it comes down to how the boat is tied, how the lines and shore power cord are run.

 

[WA2DDL]

I ve never understood this. When I bought my 53 14 years ago, I moved from a 37 express. The 53 isn't harder to take out than the smaller boat was. Same number of lines, same 50amp cord, two engines and one Genset to start. Exactly the same work.

Even the 84 footer I run now is no different and no harder to take out although the 100amp shore power takes a little more effort to reel in. Otherwise, no difference with my ole 37 footer.

Most of it comes down to how the boat is tied, how the lines and shore power cord are run.

My thoughts exactly, thanks

 

[WA2DDL]

I moved up from a 38 to a 58 to live aboard six years ago. I have a covered slip. .

Covered slip...If you dont mind my asking, what do they charge for a covered slip and can your boat's satellite TV actually work underneath?

 

[Fair Well]

Been Following this thread and thought I would post a few pic's of Fair Well. She was a 65' 1988 MY extended to 78' (78'-11"). In the pic's you can see how the bottom tapers back up as it gets to the stern. The rudders have been extended about 2" to the back and bottom edge. Looking at rudders on other extended boats another 1 1/2" wouldn't hurt. As for handling my wife and I take it out all the time by our self with wind under 20 knots any thing over that I like to have at least 3 able body's to assist in docking. Keep in mind this is going and coming from are home dock. All lines stay on dock and are set so we just have to put over cleats. You can also go to my gallery on my profile page and see the pic's where we are adding to swim deck and the upper back deck. Sorry can't get the last one to rotate

 

[WA2DDL]

Found pic of hull extension for the 85 foot. Is the taper sufficient?

 

[Fair Well]

Looks to be about the same. I think the same company extended my boat. Also looks like the rudders have been added to. I will have to look Monday to see who did mine, I know they were on the New River in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

[Fair Well]

Looks to be about the same. I think the same company extended my boat. Also looks like the rudders have been added to. I will have to look Monday to see who did mine, I know they were on the New River in Ft. Lauderdale.

They also added about 2' to the keel on mine.