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Shore Power Question

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My neighbor is experiencing odd behavior when connected to shore power. The boat is not a Hatteras. The boat has one 50 amp shore power cord. The boat is configured with two 120 volt busses and nothing on the boat uses 240 volts. Buss No. 1 powers everything including 2 air conditioners. Buss No. 2 powers only 4 air conditioners.

Shore power has run everything, including all 6 A/C units for months with no problems. Last week the 50 amp breaker in the dock pedestal failed (tripped and won't reset). Shore power was connected to the second 50 amp receptacle / breaker in the pedestal and everything ran perfectly (including the A/C units) while a new breaker was ordered.

Yesterday the pedestal breaker was replaced. Now as the 4 A/C units on Buss No. 2 are switched on one at a time the buss voltage progressively drops to 100 volts, then trips the Buss No. 2 main breaker. While Buss No. 2 voltage is dropping, Buss No. 1 voltage progressively increases as load is applied to Buss No. 2. Buss No. 1 voltage peaks about 140 volts with no load on Buss No. 1.

The above occurs now when shore power is provided by the new pedestal receptacle / breaker, and also by the old one on which everything was running perfectly before replacing the pedestal breaker.

Voltage measurements indicate no voltage drop (while loaded) across any of the pedestal terminal lugs, breakers, etc. (both hot leads and neutral). Pedestal wiring is in good condition and terminated exactly as before changing the breaker. Connections on the male shore power cord connector were checked and are tight and clean. Boat side shore power cord connections have not yet been inspected (cord retractor with cord directly lugged to a breaker at the transom).

Everything runs perfectly with no voltage drop on the gen-set. (both busses are paralleled when on the gen-set).

Later today my neighbor will move to another slip with a completely independent shore power feed and see what happens. Hopefully this will point to the problem being on the boat or on the land side of the shore power connection.

If the problem occurs on the alternative shore power pedestal, I would next inspect the main shore power breaker at the transom for voltage drop under load. However, the increase in Buss No. 1 voltage when loading Buss No.2 makes me wonder if this may be a high resistance under load on the neutral rather than on the Buss No. 2 hot lead.

With so many A/C units I would have thought at lease some of them would be 240 volt, but I guess the manufacturer didn't think so.

Any thoughts welcome.
 
Well...since everything worked fine until the old breaker in the pedestal was replaced, it seems to me that the obvious suspect is the work done at/related to the pedestal/breaker replacement. At least, that's the first thing I would examine.
 
I've changed out numerous breakers and found some of the new ones to be defective. Let us know what happens when you move to another berth.
 
Sounds like a floating neutral problem. First action I recommend is find a neighboring pedestal that is working correctly and plug into that pedestal. See if that helps. The best pedestal to choose, if you have a choice is one where a 120 volt/30 amp boat is plugged in that works OK. If the subject boat works OK on the second pedestal, the home pedestal has a neutral problem. See what you find and we can go from there.

Pete
 
Everything that could be inspected and tested in the pedestal and its power supply was done on Saturday. No problems were found.

Boat moved and powered by a different pedestal with totally different feed. The problem remained with the boat, so the problem is not with the pedestal.

I also think the neutral is involved.

Marine electrician coming out Monday. Film at eleven.
 
With your testing, it must be a neutral disconnected on the boat, or in the shore power cord.

Pete
 
Borrow a power cord and swap it. If the breakers are working there is little chance of burning the new one up. Just be sure to use the outlet at the new slip, not the old one.

I know that on older Hubbell cords the ends can go from insulating to conducting once they have been overheated to the point of burning.
 

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