Rudder Work Labor Hours

[capttonyf]

Get a hold of Roger Worthington he is at Kolertor genorator . He may have the labor book Hatteras used to pay their dealers by. I have seen one a long time ago at Cannon Boat workes they made repairs for hatteras as well as launched the boats comming from Highpoint. Jarret bay may still be a dealer for Hatteras call them and ask the prices they will give you a quote.

MAN I BELIVE YOU GOT PLUCKED!!!! IN A LOT OF THE PLACES.

Thanks I will later today.

Tony

 

[jim rosenthal]

I think you're getting bled to death here.

 

[Cricket]

Are you willing to share which yard you're dealing with?

 

[capttonyf]

I think you're getting bled to death here.

Me too. Just noticed this. They're charging 1.9 hours to replace tiller arm ends on May 20th when the tiller arms and tie rods weren't put back into the boat until May 27th and 28th where I was charged another 4 hours to install tiller arms and prove steering. Seems they would do that and properly adjust at one time, not sure ut just my thoughts.
Also 13 hours to install a main engine seacock. Seems excessive.
Tony

 

[rsmith]

Dude! Don't you know everyone does better when you share the wealth! Just ask Joe the Plumber.

 

[Boatsb]

Cleaning the shafts to get the collars and bearings off is the only pitfall. seems someone is being creative.

1 packing gland per rudder

 

[capttonyf]

Are you willing to share which yard you're dealing with?

I am, not sure if that's allowed on here as we try to avoid bashing. Was kind of waiting to see if they work with me at all on this. I can tell you it's on the New River at SR84 in Lauderdale. Been there along time, they do great work, alot of Hatteras Work, and I've had many customer boats along with my own there through the years. Thats why I was hoping it would just be fair and I wouldn't have to go through this. I'm hoping the office didn't look to hard into the workers times and this is just an error. I'm also hoping after I collect all my info that they see where I'm coming from and make it right.

Tony

 

[Boatsb]

I can install a bilge pump in 31/2 hours. That includes the 30 min drive each way to get one. Then the same to get the right one. And one more time for the screws and connectors.

 

[capttonyf]

I can install a bilge pump in 31/2 hours. That includes the 30 min drive each way to get one. Then the same to get the right one. And one more time for the screws and connectors.

Exactly, only thing is they had the pump and were in the yard. No driving.
Tony

 

[tom5518]

Most shops have a substantial markup on parts to cover overhead, 100% mark up is not unusual at your local car stealership. Good luck with "negotiating" a price after the fact. The craftsman is entitled to be paid the full value of his work, and as long as the quality of the work is ordinary, reasonable, and customary. You are in a weak bargaining position (assuming you don't have written good faith estimate and baring approved written change orders), and the yard can put a lien on your vessel. Unfortunate in any event, hope you can work it out.

While there may be a bigger mark-up on parts than other things at the local new-car dealership, I can say that it is nowhere near 100%.

 

[saltshaker]

Seems way out of line but don't have all the facts and details. I just received a $7K bill to replace one exhaust manifold. My mechanic took $1K off the bill and sold me the manifold at the fleet rate. He said he couldn't believe how expensive the part was and how much work it took to get the old out and then everything back together. Add in about 30gls of DD antifreeze and the bill just kept climbing. I was pretty shocked at the price but I trust my mechanic and paid the bill.

 

[capttonyf]

Seems way out of line but don't have all the facts and details. I just received a $7K bill to replace one exhaust manifold. My mechanic took $1K off the bill and sold me the manifold at the fleet rate. He said he couldn't believe how expensive the part was and how much work it took to get the old out and then everything back together. Add in about 30gls of DD antifreeze and the bill just kept climbing. I was pretty shocked at the price but I trust my mechanic and paid the bill.

If you'd like I could email you copies of some of this tomarrow. Took one guy 12 Hours to remove the cutless bearings and another 6 hours to reinstall them. This is with one of shafts out of the boat and the other one disconnected for new dripples seals.

13 Hours to replace 1 Main engine seacock. one guy was 11.5 hours and a helper for 1.5 hours.

24.4 Hours labor to install dripless shaft seals. Keep in mind they only needed to uncouple one shaft. We already paid labor to remove the other shaft for replacement. Thats over 3 days to intall dripless seals. Thats crazy.

It seems that they pulled these prices from somewhere and then when I questioned it, threw some hours together,and put a name on them to show totalling what they charged.

The more I look at this the more nuts I think I'm going. I have a few more pieces of the puzzel to put together then I have to have a long talk with them. Hopefully they are reasonable and work with me. Time will tell.

Tony

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I replaced all 6 of my cutlass bearings in less than 6hrs by myself. That includes pulling the props and stub shafts, pressing the old bearings out and new in, and reinstalling the muff couplings and props. That was the first and only time I have done that job ever and I did it with a puller/press that I made with 4 threaded rods. It seemed like a slow process that would have gone much faster with a hydraulic unit that most yards use.

 

[Boatsb]

I replaced all 6 of my cutlass bearings in less than 6hrs by myself. That includes pulling the props and stub shafts, pressing the old bearings out and new in, and reinstalling the muff couplings and props. That was the first and only time I have done that job ever and I did it with a puller/press that I made with 4 threaded rods. It seemed like a slow process that would have gone much faster with a hydraulic unit that most yards use.

If you had to pull one piece shafts it would have more than doubled your time. Even so that's pretty good overall. Did you have a helper?

 

[ian w]

The yard has not got the initials CM by any chance.If so I have been told their bills are negotiable

 

[capttonyf]

The yard has not got the initials CM by any chance.If so I have been told their bills are negotiable

Ahh Ha Young Grasshopper. That seems to ring a bell.

Tony

 

[SKYCHENEY]

If you had to pull one piece shafts it would have more than doubled your time. Even so that's pretty good overall. Did you have a helper?

I agree re: one piece shafts.

No helper.

 

[saltshaker]

Ahh Ha Young Grasshopper. That seems to ring a bell.

Tony

I figured that's where you went before you posted the location. They do great work and are usually fair but your bill does seem insanely high. When I replaced the shafts on my 46C I had all 4 struts dropped and new bearings pressed in. All new fasteners and the old couplers were pulled off not cut off. Total bill was $2400 for parts and labor not including the new shafts. That was 15 years ago and the yards labor was $100 per hour.

 

[capttonyf]

I figured that's where you went before you posted the location. They do great work and are usually fair but your bill does seem insanely high. When I replaced the shafts on my 46C I had all 4 struts dropped and new bearings pressed in. All new fasteners and the old couplers were pulled off not cut off. Total bill was $2400 for parts and labor not including the new shafts. That was 15 years ago and the yards labor was $100 per hour.

They do great work. That's why I go there. I'm going to go over this with them and hope they're as fair now as they've been in the past. Some of this just seems out of hand. Or if they have good explanations I'm fine with that as well. I just need to find out how it's justified.

 

[Walter P]

I looked and looked again at your breakdown of the bill and nowhere did I see a charge for the KY jelly that should have been provided. It's crap like this that makes folks rethink their cost/benefit about boating. That being said, I still believe that most yards are OK. Matter of fact I recently heard a very good review from a friend who had some work done on his 48 MY in Fla. The workmanship was outstanding and the price was quite fair.. BTW both parties are active members of this forum. So you see, there are "good guys" around.

Walt