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Replacing my aluminum window frames

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Keith

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50' YACHT FISHERMAN (1964 - 1968)
The aluminum frames on my 1966 50' Yacht Fisherman are very pitted and I believe to be the source of numerous leaks. Now that summer is upon us I'd like to replace the frames if possible. Has anyone done this and if so can you tell me where to find replacement frames. I need the ones in the galley only, the rest seem to be in good shape.

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Keith
Lady J
 
Keith,

I read your inquiry about galley window frames and I can help you if you are interested. I build replacement anodized window frames for Hatteras boats. My name is Jimmy Watts and I have been working with Steve at SAM's for many years now, you can contact him for a reference if you would like. If you want to contact me, my number is 252-634-2214 or email jwatts14@cox.net. Thank you. Jimmy
 
I have heard or possibly seen here that someone makes fiberglass frames for these windows also. If anybody knows anything ,I'd be very interested to hear about it........Pat
 
Hello Chuck, We have not installed the windows you made for our 34c yet, boat still being painted. we are shooting for the end of the month, will send photos to you as Ron requested.

Steve Hierholzer
 
I would love to purchase new windows to pop into the existing openings of sliding windows now in the cabin sides of my boat. The problem as I see it is that the surface is not a flat plane. The sides of my cabin house have an ever so slight curve as the area goes forward. With a new aluminum frame window, one would expect it to set into a flat opening. So, how does this work, window experts? Please advise.
 
Eric, What type and model of boat do you have? Jimmy
 
46' Matthews (fiberglass) motor yacht 1970, Jack Hargrave design.
 
The administrator removed my post about a REAL BAD experience with one of the persons that says he makes replacement windows for Hatteras Yachts on the site.
I have been told that you will have to PM me to get his name.
Thanks
Dave
 
I am replacing all the windows in 48' Yachtfish, I am waiting on some quotes to come back next week, one is for 316 stainless and the other is for aluminum, both gave reasonable quotes for sliding salon windows $600-$800 and stated those prices were for single replacement windows, and a complete set would be priced lower than that. Previous quotes for the complete job were $18k-$20k from the usual sources. I will pass along the source to those who are interested after I get a hard quote and they live up to what they said.
 
6-$800 per window doesn't sound too bad. 18-$20K for a set sounds like somebody is trying to recoup the losses from buying a couple of bridges in NYC. Incidentally, I still have a couple for sale - I can make a really nice deal on the Brooklyn and Queensboro...;)
 
Who are you working with?
 
I have been speaking with Chuck at Waterway Systems. Nice guy. I have quotes on the 4 sliding window units in my salon and also 3 new windshields-the center of which is to hinge open. I shall post my progress with the decision making segment of the project.
 
I will let you guys know who we are working with when they give me the quote and deliver the windows, until then I am not going to pass along anything, because the usual recommended sources have not done anything spectacular and their prices were gold plated. These new guys show great promise and if they don't get greedy will wind up with a lot of business. They currently have about a 6-8 week back log. I am in manufacturing myself, and I wish I could get the markup I know they are getting for items in the yacht industry. Believe me, we purchase aluminum, stainless, fiberglass, carbon fiber, nylon, etc and I know materials and labor costs. Our products have about a 30% margin. Some these guys are getting 300% markups so it pays to shop. My shipwright contacted a window manufacturer that supplies the OEM yacht manufacturers with windows to find the aluminum extrusion we needed to repair the existing windows, at first they were willing to sell him some 20 foot lengths at $4-$7.50 a foot depending upon which extrusion, then when he actually ordered it, they changed their policy and would only sell complete windows. He sent them the dimensions and their quote came back at close to $20k. We had figured out the cost to have them fabbed locally, and with new glass was going to be right at $5k plus anodizing costs, based upon the aluminum extrusion cost they first quoted. There is a local guy here in NC that does windows, which is great if you only need to replace a couple of windows, but a whole boat gets too expensive quickly. He has to charge more because of low volume and he has to pay a premium for materials. If I just needed a few windows I would just use him, but I am re-doing a whole boat. I have turned my shipwright on to several new sources for materials and he has gotten price reductions of 40-70% on most of the materials he uses. This lets him give better prices to his customers, which I am one of them. He has already saved me $30K on materials with the new sources of supply used on Boss Lady.
 
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Gentlemen,

I just wanted to offer a couple of thoughts on this window issue. I have purchased the extrusion from directly from Hatteras in the past. Anybody that can work a chop saw and weld aluminum can make the frames. Finishing speaks for itself and the glass install is very easy as well. It sounds as if some people are having a hard time finding the extrusion. It has been a few years but I bought them directly from Hatteras. One more thing, If Hatteras will not sell them anymore, I had a die made to extrude aluminum and it only cost $500 with an order of extrusion.

For what it's worth. I remade the two sliders on my 53c and changed them to fixed windows about 10 years ago using the Hatteras extrusions. That where the Hatteras purchase information came from. I have sinces replaced all my windows with frameless windows. I had an extrusion made that resembles the custom Carolina boats, permanantly molded it into the boat and now have all frameless windows. That's where the custom extrusion die info was obtained. Just thought I'd past along the information.
 
Believe me, this is not that easy. There are two different extrusions required for the salon windows, the bottom slide and the top/sides. The fixed windows make a third. The helm windows require five different extrusions for a total of eight different extrusions, so even at $500 per die we are looking at $4,000 just for dies. I did find the extrusion at a retailer, just the extrusion was $3,800, the labor for cutting and welding $1000, Anodizing was another $2000, plus glass and trim. Total was close to $9,000. Not bad but very costly to me or my shipwright to chase all this down and get it done. The biggest problem is having to buy all the components at retail. The felt, the plastic slides and rubber stripping is very expensive to buy in small quantities. A full time shop that deals in this gets tremendous price breaks and can make them and sell them cheaper with a profit than we can buy the components. For example a local welding shop made something that I really liked in mild steel, but I wanted it made from 316 stainless steel, they buy steel from a local distributor, he gave me the quote which was very high, as it turns out he was getting shafted, I gave him my distributor who I buy a lot of stainless from, and his price went from $1800 per sheet to $1009.00 per sheet and included shipping. I cut his raw materials cost in half and it saved me and future customers a bundle and made him more competive without affecting his profit margin. In this day and age with all the price gouging, it pays to shop.
 
SeaEric said:
I have been speaking with Chuck at Waterway Systems. Nice guy. I have quotes on the 4 sliding window units in my salon and also 3 new windshields-the center of which is to hinge open. I shall post my progress with the decision making segment of the project.

I like the idea of an opening center window. Can it be made reliably waterproof? And how will you access it to open it?

Bob
 
a couple of years ago dog river marina in mobile alabama made fiberglass replacement window frames, i dont know if they still do. give them a call, they might be able to help you. bigbill
 
It is my understandng that the conversion to frame-less windows is unbelievable expensive, much more per window than just replacing the frames. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
 
dont know about the cost but I would bet there is alot of labor involved not to mention the extra time involved.
changing window can take as little as one day if you dont need to make structural repairs. pop the old ones out, clean it up and put in the new ones. larger windows will take 3 guys to do it. I have replace the 3 front windows and now doing the 2 large side ones on a 34c. took us about 45min to pull the 2 side windows out, surface prep was minimal. we masked it off and had boat painted before new ones go in. we will install them next week, paint will be cured by then. I will try to remember to get some close ups of the 2 new ones before we install them so you can see the work that Waterway systems did.
 

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