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Redline Marine

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Has anyone dealt with Redline Marine, in New Jersey? They claim to be a boat wholesaler, with non negotiating prices, and I wanted to know if the company is for real. They are advertising a 1976 53ft Hat for 179,000, and I thought I would take a look. Any comments good or bad?
thanks
gunsmoke
 
I had one telphone conversation with them. I learned some new four letter words. One conversation was one too many with this outfit.
 
Interesting re-do on the interior of that Hatt... If your looking for a one stateroom athwartship bed 53' this could be for you.
 
There no such thing as firm pricing.

Redline began listing the boat for 179 about a year ago. It was dropped to 169 and now it's back to 179.

Anyway, Redline is known for having a vocabulary that would make a sailor blush. Know that up front and realize it's not personal and you'll be OK.

Redline's justification for the abusive language is to weed out the tire kickers and intimidate buyers from making low ball offers.

Good luck and take a deep breath before you call.
 
Bizzare looking, I would like to see it in person. Go look at it and draw out the floor plan for us....

Captned
MBMM
 
He sounds like a very colorful character. I will try to see this boat over the weekend. This boat is a little bit bigger than what I figured on, but it "sounds" like it was reconditioned pretty well. The one stateroom would be OK with me as the admiral would probably not be an over nighter.
Hopefully, living in Brooklyn New York for almost 30 years, will even out the language barrier, this guy seems to have. I don't get intimidated too easy, but I'm a lot older now.
 
I would not believe anything he tells you. Take my word for it. Words can not describe this man.
 
Gunsmoke,
Good luck. If you're in the area, around 10 minutes from me, I'll be at my boat (the next town) on Saturday until about 5pm and then we may be there on Sunday as well until about 2pm. I've got a flight to catch to Chicago for meetings on Monday.
 
Funny thing--I make my living intimidating people with words. However, if and when my adversary resorts to four letters words, I know one of two things (or both) --I have him right where I want him or his vocabulary is representative of the extent of his intellect.
 
Very well said George! Hope you're enjoying yourself on the voyage I wish I could take. If and when you ever return to New Bern give Giga and myself a call.
Skip
 
Microcap, what are you doing in my home town in chicago?
Let me know if you want to go out on 1965 Hatt...
 
Soooooooo Mama was right. You can't judge a book by it's cover.
Before heading down to Redline Marine, to check out the 53 Hat, we tried to find Anchor Yachts in Brick. They had a 55 ft Ocean that my buddy wanted to look at, with an asking price of $125,000, that hadn't been in the water for three years. I wasn't been able to reach anyone by phone, so I figured we'd just take a shot and find the marina.
My friend, a former coast guard vet, and an ex cop, reached Anchor Yachts on his cell phone, and asked someone for directions. The salesman went ballistic on the phone, and told him the owner of the boat needed a five hour window, and would have to be there.
When my friend asked him if we could get directions and maybe look at some other boats, the sales guy hung up on him. After redialing several times, it was obvious, this salesman was not picking up the phone. The ironic thing was that Anchor's adds, read how they care about helping you find the right boat, and their quality service. What a load of crap!!!!!!
I guess they are very independent and don't need our money, because the boating market is doing so well. Needless to say, we will never give them any business, and will repeat this story to all of our friends.

Next,, we started off for Redline Marine, to deal with that "lunatic."
Again, we were not able to reach his office, either, so we left a message. Then, we realized, he had a cell phone # listed, and we tried that. When the gruff voice on the end of the phone answered, I knew it had to be Charlie Abruzzo. I told him we were in the area, and could we see the 53 ft, Hat? He told me that he wasn't in the office today, and he would only meet with serious buyers. He asked me if I was ready to write a check at the meeting, if I liked the boat, and I told him absolutely not. I explained to him that I had an ex cop, and a New York Firemen, with me, and I apologized for the short notice, and would he please meet us at his marina. His whole attitude changed, and he actually met us on the road, so we wouldn't get lost. We all pulled into Redline together, and introduced each other.

Now, it became obvious that Charlie wasn't going to become, or probably never was a "Choir Boy". Fortunately, the ex cop, the fireman, and yours truly hit it off with Charlie Abruzzo very well. I found him to be DIRECT, NO NON SENSE, but Truthful, as he was explaining the 53 Hat story. He told me he was not given the hours on the engines, and he did not trust the hour meters, so he said he didn't know what they were. He told me if I bought the boat, not to put in any investment, other then essential engine, or wiring, because it was a 30 year old boat, and I wouldn't recoup the layout. He started the engines right up, and they sounded pretty good to the firemen, who works with Detroit diesels as the NY firetruck guy, and he knew all the people that Charlie knew.
Charlie told us he was supposed to meet a buyer for another boat pretty soon, and he gave us a quick grand tour. I again told him I appreciated the fact that he was meeting with us on such short notice. The cockpit had a fighting chair, but I noticed quite a few soft spots, which Charlie agreed with. The tower had been removed, and Charlie said he would reinstall it after purchase. He claimed it was a 65,000 dollar investment made by the previous owner. The electronics on the flybridge were old, but the bridge was reasonably clean for a 32 year old boat. There was evidence of chipped and cracked gel coat observed while on the side decks, but it wasn't terrible, and Charlie said there were no blisters to be found on her bottom, which I found amazing, considering Hatteras to be the mother of all blistering. As the boat was in the water, I couldn't confirm that. The salon was huge, as the two small staterooms were removed, with a companion way leading to the large galley, and then the one large stateroom, and head. I thought I would like the layout, but I actually found it awkward, and I feel that it's probably the reason that the boat hasn't sold. Unless, your on your own, with no plans to have others on board overnite, ever, it's impractical. When I mentioned this to Charlie, he shrugged his shoulders in minor agreement.
We never got a chance to see the engine room, but since we all agreed that we were not interested in the boat, we didn't want to be those "tire kickers" that Charlie hates. I told Charlie I would keep checking his site, and maybe we could do business down the road. Within 45 minutes, we had previewed the boat, said our goodbyes and pulled out of the marina lot.

Soooooooo, here's my take on Charlie Abruzzo from Redline Marine.
He's a course, very knowledgeable in what he does, hard working guy, who makes no bones about who he is. If you are looking for a patient, service first, super friendly, boat dealer, who will hold your hand, and pet your dog, Charlie is definitely not your guy. On the other hand, if you absolutely know what you are looking for, and have studied the specific boat pricing in your area, Red Line Marine could be the ticket to a good deal. I have tracked their pricing, and it looks to be a lower priced dealer than most. Of course if I was interested in this, or any other boat, it would be surveyed, pressure checked, and sea trialed, cause I only had one dad, and Charlie wasn't him. The funny part here is that the marina that touted their service, as Anchor Yachts did, was a joke, and the "demon" from Red Line turned out to be a prety good Joe.
Larry: Sorry we weren't able to hook up this time, but my weekends no longer belong to me, and getting out for a few hours this Saturday was a miracle.
regards
Steve
 
Got into Chicago late tonight and going back to NJ tomorrow night, so unfortunately won't be able to take your offer up on this trip, but I do make it to Chicago from time to time. Thank you for the invite.
 
To avoid these "problems" with some of the fine brokers out there i've always used a purchase broker. Doesn't make the other broker happy as he splits the commision but my broker does eliminate the real turkeys before I waste my time. He'll also find out if the owner will move on the price and if it's a local boat (N.J.) he'll usually get me all the info I need. I won't post who I've used but if anyone wants his name send me a message and I'll send it privately. He's an honest guy (yea I know an honest broker?) and knowledgable along with hard working. Bill
 
Thanks Capt. Mark. It was nice to share some info with you guys for a change, instead of sponging up all the knowledge I gain from this site.
BTW: That's a real nice web site you have.
 
I would not believe anything he tells you. Take my word for it. Words can not describe this man.


I have customers on thier 4th and 5th boats with me because of how I treat real customers, Do I even know you? How dare you say anything about me, if I was rude it means I determined you were not making a purchase but wasting my time, I don't appologize for that, this is a real business. people buying always say the same things, people wasting my time always say the same things, the tire kickers get angry because I smoke em out and they are use to being able to bullshit the average broker into wasting time, it is not ok to do that, it is a really screwed up thing to do to someone's livlihood,

For the record this boat was my all time career screw up I will NEVER EVER buy an old boat again, im the past 10 days I sold 16 boats, none older than model year 2000, I buy and sell the dealer trade ins. I bought her as a favor to HMY, what i didn't know was when I sell a 2006 boat for every sincere buyer there are a couple of dreamers, on a 1976 boat for every sincere buyer there are 4000 dreamers with nothing better to do, please do not come unless you are prepared to make a purchase, subject to survey of course.

For the record I have told everthing I know about this boat to anyone who asks how dare you say I am full of shit, the boat is beautiful, the forward decks are getting a little soft as are the gunnels on the Port side, there is nothing like her for this kind of money, she has has new awlgrip paint on her hull and topsides, new interior, engines done, she is how ever 30 years old! A new one is 2 million dollars for a reason. if your going to put her under a microscope stay home! Hows that for telling it like it is, in public forum I said what was wrong with her, so now tell me Mr. Wana be jack ass.. does that sound like someone with something to hide... iye yi yi, I will NEVER EVER buy an old boat again!
 
For the record this boat was my all time career screw up

And this rant may be #2.

Never underestimate the tightness, power and knowledge of this particular forum. I'm sure there were brokers who had doubts about me until I wrote a check as a cash buyer on my purchase - I didn't look like your average buyer. While I don't know you personally, I can tell you that I, too, dealt with brokers along the way I wished I had never met, and I would never be where I am, in this boat, without this forum and their collective knowledge and advice.
 
Like I said, I found Charlie to be direct, but truthful. He may not be the most complimentary fellow I ever met, but I can understand his frustration with "obvious tire kickers". I would not hesitate to buy a boat from him in the future, because his prices always seem to be under market.
Hey Charlie, welcome to the forum.
regards
gunsmoke
 
I used to think like Charlie when I was building and selling McMansions in Palm Beach in the 1980s and early 1990s. I became tired of tire-kickers coming to open houses and stopped holding them. One Tuesday morning a guy pulls up in a Ford Taurus, in a pair of baggy kakhis gets out and asks if he can look at the house I have under construction. I say sure, gave him the tour and a cup of coffee out of the construction trailor. Turn out the guy was in the Forbes 400. He bought the house at full ask price and had my crew do about $600,000 of change orders...total sales price $3,000,000... this is in 1988 when a million dollars was real money!

I doubt Charlie would have made that sale. By the way I had bought the land right ..out of an estate.. and made over 30% on that project.

Cheers
Spin
 
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You never know who you are dealing with. I had a "salty" neighbor in college who had all these great "back in the day" stories but was an raging alcoholic so I took them with a grain of salt. He told me a few times he invested lots of money and was worth millions. This came from a guy I never saw in anything but boots, raggity jeans and cowboy shirts. Well one day he told me he wanted to check on his investments and asked if i would give him a ride. I had nothing beter to do so off we went. As it turns out the man owned about 1000 acres of prime real estate across the Atlanta area. He could have sold out but said he had everything he needed and the investment would take care of his wife and child when he died. He had a sailboat on lake Lanier, that and lots of beer was all he needed to keep him happy. He died not long after I moved away.

Most of the very wealthy folks I have met over the years and actually liked did not really stand out. You had to know them to know they had money.
 

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