One Two Many Boats For Sale

[Freebird]

Hey Ya'll,

Seein' as how topics has been kinda dull here lately, I thought I'd share a funny story with you that happened to me on Wednesday. As you may have noticed, I've got my 41DC for sale, and I have it advertized in the local paper. If you've really been payin' attention, you'll also know I have a '90 Sea Ray 310 Sundancer for sale too! It too is advertized in the local paper. I keep both of 'em at Caney Creek Marina, and they are two slips away from each other. If I hadn't bought that Sea Ray back in March, I wouldn't have ended up with my 41DC in May. I had to walk past that 41DC when I went to play with my Sea Ray. I seen it and fell in luv. Then I seen ole' FREEBIRD last month, and fell in luv agin'. Like I said earlier, all this luvin' is gittin' expensive, so I've got the Sea Ray and the 41DC up for sale.

I've had bunches of calls about my 41DC (mostly tire kickers) and quite a few about my 310 (more tirekickers). Wednesday afteroon I had a call from a feller who said he'd seen my ad in the paper for the boat for sale, and wanted to know where it wuz and when he could see it. I told him where it wuz and told him my office was only 15 minutes from the marina. He sounded real intrested and asked if he could come down now. I said (hell) yeah. He was close by, so I jumped on my Hog and headed for the marina. When I got there I noticed a couple of young fellers sittin' in the parkin' lot. I walked past them, said howdy, and went on through the gate onto the dock. About that time my cell rang, and it was that feller who called. He said "I'm here, was that you that just got off the Harley"? I looked back over my shoulder and said "yeah Bubba, thats me". I went back and let 'em through the gate and proceeded to head twards the boat. I was thinkin' to myself, boy, this is gonna be a waist of time. This little feller couldn't have been more than 20 years old, with a shaggy hair cut and a big ole' tattoo that covered his whole right arm. Then he made the statement that he'd already talked to his banker, and he was pre-approved for the loan to buy the boat. The only thing was that his banker had to come look at the boat before sealin' the deal. Then he started talkin' about havin' to install an MRI at a hospital in Nashville next week. Oh son, I've got me a live one here! I know better than to judge a book by its cover, people used to do that to me when I was his age even though I didn't have a shaggy hair cut or a tattoo. I was buyin' high dollar stuff when I was his age and surprised many a stuck-up salesman (I still do for that matter). We got out to ole' NANCY CAY and I suddenly realized that I had forgot my dang key to the door. I told the ole' boy what I done, and told him I might have lead him on a wild goose chase. I crawled up on the boat and told him I'd check the doors just to be sure. As I knowed they would be, the doors was locked. I said well, at least you can come up here and peep thru the windows and see what she looks like on the inside. All of a sudden there was a funny look on this little fellers face, and he looked at me real puzzled and all and said "I'm here to look at the Allison?". Oh ship! I plum forgot I had a little 15 foot speed boat for sale in the Bargain Mart for $2,500! I'd had so many calls on the big boats, I just assumed that's what he wanted to look at. I got tickled and told him he'd drove right by it on the way in because it was at my warehouse where I'd just come from. I told him to foller me back and I'd show it to him. Turns out he thought it was a bowrider despite the description I had in the Bargain Mart which read "two seater speed/ski boat". Needless to say, it ain't no bowrider, so he wuzn't intrested. Well I reckon that's what I get for having too many boats for sale.

 

[whaler23]

Good story. Pre-approval for a 2500 boat though?

 

[Dave Phipps]

Yeah......that's what's left of his credit line after paying for that big ol tatoo!!

 

[Paul45c]

Well I reckon that's what I get for having too many boats for sale.

Good Lordy! Now, let me get this straight -- you've got your 58TC, a 41DC, the SeaRay, a ski boat...

Anything else you need to 'fess up to while we're getting you honest? Any tenders, perhaps? Canoes/kayaks?

Y'know, Skynyrd Boy, stress can kill a man, and you've got enough on your head with just the FIRST TWO boats to give a man all he needs. No wonder all you can think of doing right now is cruising!

OK, sell 3 boats and call me in the morning. And go forth and sin no more.

 

[Freebird]

Good Lordy! Now, let me get this straight -- you've got your 58TC, a 41DC, the SeaRay, a ski boat...

Anything else you need to 'fess up to while we're getting you honest? Any tenders, perhaps? Canoes/kayaks?

Hey Bubba,

I must confess, I have a hard time sayin' no. That's how come I became a free-lance gynecologist. You know, word of mouth and all that stuff. Since you asked, let me sit here and think about what I still got.

58TC, 41DC, 310 Sundancer, 22 Lowe Deckboat, 15 Allison speed boat, 14 Boston Whaler (just bought that one to keep FREEBIRD company), 14 Gheenoe (duck killer), 14 Aqua-Finn (when I'm out of gas and the wind's blowin'), 10 Avon w/7.5 Johnrude, Yamaha 1100 Waiveraider (yee ha!), and a little 8' plastic dingy with a 3.5 Merc that was sittin' up on FREEBIRD when I bought her. I might have missed one, but I think that's it, for now.

Hey, you wanna talk about cars and trucks and motorcycles and guns and stuff?

 

[ThirdHatt]

I feel MUCH better now. I have my "keeper" 58YF and my 23' Malibu LSV "Cadillac" cruiser/ski boat what has wrap around seating for 13! Unfortunately, much of my time is wasted cleaning and/or showing my 1967 41TwinCabin that is for sale. LOTS of tire kickers and the occasional offer of some cash down and monthly notes payable to me for the rest of my life..."No Thanks!" Then the two (2) tenders that I have for sale. One is a 14' HBI RIB with a 35hp Yamaha that came on my 58YF that I believe is too big. Then I have a 11' Avon RIB with a 30 Johnson that I currently have on my 58YF that I believe is too small (I want a nice 12' tender). A local broker who believes he has a buyer for my 41TC took the 14' HBI yesterday for himself and will keep it as his comission on the 41TC he is hopefully selling next week. Assuming the deal happens, I will be rid of two of the three boats I am trying to sell! But you know the old saying: "It ain't done until the money is in the bank!"

 

[Freebird]

I feel MUCH better now.

Glad I could help Bubba. Didn't you see my post on Davit Capacity for a 58TC? I said I was lookin' for a RIB, but I found a 13' 6" Whaler "Rage 14" down in Georgia. It's a jet boat with a Yamaha 650cc Waverunner engine. I think it will make a dandy tender/dingy. By the way, I asked this question on that same thread, and nobody answered it. When does a dingy become a tender and vice/versa? I don't want to be callin' this thing by the wrong name. People might think I'm stupid or somethin'. Like Forrest's Mamma always used to tell him, "stupid is as stupid does". That shore does make sense, but it kinda scares me a little. Of course she also said "life is like a box of chocklit, you never know what you're gonna get". My Mamma used to tell me "stay the hell out of my box of chocklit, or you're gonna get it!"

 

[Paul45c]

Since you asked, let me sit here and think about what I still got.

58TC, 41DC, 310 Sundancer, 22 Lowe Deckboat, 15 Allison speed boat, 14 Boston Whaler (just bought that one to keep FREEBIRD company), 14 Gheenoe (duck killer), 14 Aqua-Finn (when I'm out of gas and the wind's blowin'), 10 Avon w/7.5 Johnrude, Yamaha 1100 Waiveraider (yee ha!), and a little 8' plastic dingy with a 3.5 Merc that was sittin' up on FREEBIRD when I bought her. I might have missed one, but I think that's it, for now.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven...you're hopeless, grasshopper. Get out of my temple.

A man's got to choose his vices. You mentioned guns; I've got a dandy collection, but it hasn't seen much attention from me at all since I've gotten into boats over 25'!

But, you've helped me out SB (Skynyrd Boy takes too much work -- you're on notice that you're SB from now on); I'm printing out this message and keeping it to trot out to wifey anytime she starts complaining about too much time spent working on the boat...or if I get the itch to get another one. For that, you're a great American.

 

[Freebird]

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven...you're hopeless, grasshopper. Get out of my temple.

Hey Kung Fu Boy,

I done told you once, that's weedhopper to you Bubba, Mr. Weedhopper. Hey, I'm glad you counted them up for me as I had done run out of fingers and toes and knew I had boats left. Hey, I told old Pooh Bear me and him would get together when I get up in the panhandle in the next week or so. We might eat dinner somewhere around Destin. You wanna come too! Just don't take us to one of them Chinese places. Them folks ain't got no sense of humor at all. Hell, just cause a man comes in and orders Cantchew Collie, or Beagle on a Stick, ain't no reason to go off on all them ching chang wham bang Chinese cuss words. I love Chinese food myself, but when the one here in town opened up, all the dogs started disappearin'. Now I'm careful what I eat down there!

 

[ThirdHatt]

Now that is an excellent question. I honestly do not know the difference between a dinghy and a tender, but I personally put the difference at about 10' LOA. I think the <10' boats, especially the soft bottom variety would classify as dinghys. The larger boats 11'+ are usually rigid bottoms with inflatable tube sides (except for the Boston Whalers, etc) and I would call those tenders. Most yacht tenders are of the inflatable tube variety simply so they do not bounce, scrape and marr the side of the big boat as the tender is being raised or lowered. Those with Boston Whalers, etc must be EXTRA careful, especially in any wind or waves. Notice that all the little boats that belong to bigger boats all have the big boat names on the side, but with T/T in front, meaning "Tender To". A tender DOES NOT have to have its own registration IF it is being used as a tender to a larger vessel.

Storytime: I proved this last year anchored out for a weekend festival when I had not yet registered my Malibu and I had a couple of stickers made that said "T/T Sweet Melissa" to stick on the sides of the Malibu just in case I got pulled over. Guess what? I got pulled over by the Coast Guard the FIRST DAY of the weekend while ferrying 10 people to the big boat! They asked for registration and I informed them that this boat was a tender to my larger vessel and therefore did not need it's own registration and directed their attention to the "T/T Sweet Melissa" decals that were plainly visible on both sides. There were Coast Guard trainee's on board at the time, so a couple of them began thumbing through their text books to see if I was correct. They asked if I was headed back to the big boat and I said yes, so they elected to follow me! When we got there, they saw my RIB up on the flybridge and claimed, "That is your tender up there, where is your registration for this boat?" I immediately informed them that there is no law that says I can only have ONE tender, and that I could not fit 10 people on my RIB, so I used my larger tender. They finally agreed and just did a "safety inspection" to make sure I had everything I was supposed to and issued me a gold piece of paper and said that it was "good as gold" for the next time the Coasties pull me over. They said if I show that gold sheet of paper that I probably would NOT get boarded, or it would at least expedite the process.

Lesson: Make sure that your tender plainly reads "T/T (vessel name)" on both sides of the boat!

 

[nor'easter]

My wife will be thrilled to know that we "have it easy" only trying to sell one boat.
On the other hand, these boat lists only make me more anxious to move up before I sell Nor'easter! That way I can partake in the T/T and davit capacity discussions instead of looking in on them.

 

[Freebird]

Now that is an excellent question. I honestly do not know the difference between a dinghy and a tender, but I personally put the difference at about 10' LOA.

Hey, I asked an excellent question. See, I ain't stupid. Boy I tell ya', don't it make you nervous when them law enforcement types have to check their book to see if you're doin' sumthin' wrong? I appreciate the info on the TT designation being sufficient to keep the CG happy. I just wonder if the duck troopers we have up here feel the same way. I'll give 'em a buzz and let ya'll know. TT FREEBIRD, I kinda like that.

 

[Passages]

A tender DOES NOT have to have its own registration IF it is being used as a tender to a larger vessel.

That's the first I've heard of that rule. When you say the big boat must be registered, will Federal Documentation do? My boat is documented with only a sticker on it indicating I paid State taxes.

 

[67hat34c]

I dont have the toys you guys have just 2 pwc's and a 34c, no motorcycles or collector cars but there is a guy in our marina that sounds like you.

He is from Virginia, boat in Merritt Island FL. he brings a van down with all his tools and a Harley. works on his 67 41 tc then goes back north where he owns a string of Tatoo Parlors. He has alot of toys, Hatteras, another smaller cruiser. a california ski boat( flat bottom, blown big block v drive) mult motorcycles, hot rod cars. antique and classic cars, multi bikes.

 

[ThirdHatt]

Passages, If it is legal in your state to have only state documentation then you are fine. Some states (like here in LA) require either state registration or USCG documentation, and some (like Florida) require BOTH! Either way, if you have boat THAT IS BEING USED AS A TENDER TO A LARGER VESSEL, you do not need independent registration for that tender. Now, let me clarify: This DOES NOT mean that you can cruise around, explore or pull skiers, etc. because you would be using that boat as a boat and not as a tender, get it? A tender is only meant for shuffling supplies and/or people between the big boat and shore. As soon as you start using your tender as a boat, it MUST have its own registration. This is why when the Coast Guard asked me if I was headed back to the big boat, I quickly replied "Yes", because I was legally shuffling people to the big boat at that time. If I were just cruising around, I would have needed registration for that boat and therefore been in violation.

Freebird, Remember it is T/T, not just TT so get those stickers made for that Whaler Jet before you go and get yourself in trouble! (I would still register it!)

Now, all this can be avoided if you simply register your tender, which is really the right thing to do. This way you can legally cruise around and explore new anchorages and waterways as you should be able to. I was merely pointing out your legal right to use a tender as a tender without registration. I do not advocate "teaching" any law enforcement your rights. It's much better to have all of your paperwork in order and keep the replies to "Yes Sir".

 

[rmaher]

Curious, I googled for my info on T/T and found this:

"The Federal Statute is 33 CFR Sec. 173.13 or the long cite; Title 33
Chapter I Sunchapter S Part 173 Subpart B sec. 173.13. In fact the whole Sec 173 makes interesting reading and has very useful and good to know and have a copy onboard sort of info. Sometimes water cops need an education.

See http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_05/33cfr173_05.html for above cite."

Must use the vessel doc numbers with a '-1' added. Can't be more than 10 hp!

Rob

 

[ThirdHatt]

Rob, That is very interesting in that I did not know if the 10hp limit with USCG. That statute would only apply to vessels under Coast Guard Documentation. If you were under State Registration, that would not apply. Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries is who I originally got that information from but apparently the US Coast Guard has some more stringent requirements of a tender. I just called LA Wildlife & Fisheries again and they did confirm that as long as the boat is being used recreationally (no commercial or charters) and strictly for ship-to-shore duties, there is absolutely no restrictions on the tender or any requirement to have that tender individually registered. I asked for the statute number and she promised to look it up and call me back. I will post it here when/if I hear back from her.

Oh well, it worked for me and my USCG documented vessel with USCG trainees desperately trying to prove me wrong thumbing through their rulebooks. I guess USCG documented vessels that are also State Registered with tender engines over 10hp should claim State Registration!

 

[Pascal]

varies state by state.

in Fl. documented vessels MUST be registered and display in annual sticker (not the state numbers).

dinghies and tender must be registered too, regardless of being T/T...

 

[Liquid Asset]

Randy, I dont feel so bad anymore. I have 3 boats now. I am glad, because we did have 5 at one time. I do not know how you keep up with all the maintenance. I shure can not keep up with 3, and one is an inflatable. Plus all the other crap.

You know, I can help you find a few more if you want! I think you need another project.