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Looking to purchase a 65 Convertible...Series I or II?

CanadianBoater

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I am looking to purchase a 65C and have been looking at boats in '96-'98 range with preferred Cat engines. I'm recently noticing that there are a couple of newer Series II year '00 available with similar asking prices. Does anyone have any comments about the Series II versus the Series I model in terms of performance? Personally like the look of the Series I but there may be updates in the Series II worth considering. I'm also interested in any advice about what is a realistic offering price as most of the inventory listed on Yachtworld has been on the market for 3 years or more...

Have been a big fan of Hatteras for years and definitely like the more traditional look and appreciate what you get in terms of a solid boat. Looking to do some cruising in Florida, Bahamas and maybe bring it into the Great Lakes for a summer or two.
 
Great boat, but I'm a bit biased. Performance between the 65I and 65II is pretty much the same. The difference between the two is in layout and deck house styling. Cats are the way to go but will cost considerably more than a Detroit boat. The 1800HP 16V2000 MTU's are excellent too but they will only be in a 65II boat and you will pay even more for them. A good 65I with Cats will most likely run you mid 600's to 700K, a bit more for a series II.Prices seem to be moving up a bit. I've been following the 60CII's and they have been bringing 600K-700K for good ones. Great boats but a lot smaller than a 65C. Much will depend on condition and equipment. An enclosed bridge will be more than an open bridge boat and if you find a good one with the internal stairs to the bridge, that will be a bit more too. I don't think you will be able to get a 65 up into the Great Lakes unless you go all the way North and head down the St Lawrence. An enclosed bridge boat has a clearance of almost 24FT without a radar or any additional equipment on top. The open bridge boats are about a foot or two lower. The series II may be slightly less but doubt it.
 
Thank you for your thoughts and insight. I am looking at the enclosed bridge model so height will bean issue. I'll have to check the Erie Barge height restrictions. I've been on a couple of the 65C's and noticed that bilge access in the stateroom and lower areas seem to be somewhat limited. I'm one that likes to be able to get in and inspect everywhere when needed. Do you have a 65 and if so; how do you find the access? I think you're probably right on the money with cost (looking at a couple of '98s with the preferred Cats). I've seen a few in great condition where really only the electronics could use some updating - apart from the many other things you find once you actually start getting into it!

Thanks again for you comments.
 
Yes I own a '88 series I. Love the boat. Very well laid out and very easy to work on. Not sure if the series II is different but I can access almost any bilge area very easily. You just need to know how to get to some of the areas if not familiar. There are hatches in the pump room, a big one in the crew stateroom that I can get in (and I'm not as thin as I used to be), The one in the guest stateroom is a bit small but you can access anything in there, there are hatches in each head, a huge hatch below the storage hatches under the master berth. If you go into the one in the bow, you can see all the way back to the galley/dinette forward bulk head. ER is huge and very well laid out. A bit tight with the 16V2000's but nice with the Cats. As for the Erie Canal, I believe the height restriction is 21.5ft. It is better at times depending on the pool level but not low enough to get a 65EB under the lower bridges, and there are quite a few.
 
Jack - thank you again for the insight.
The two 65Cs I'm looking at with the Cats are different boats in that one is an open bridge (which is what I'm used to on the Great Lakes and generally like) and, has the Naiad stabilizers (which I currently also have and know the benefits of) with the 3 stateroom layout. It is generally in original shape with no refit or updating of the interior, has had very little to no use (650 hours on engines) and is in excellent condition - just a bit dated - never fished and hardly slept on - was used as more of a day boat.
The other has the enclosed bridge (which I think I would prefer for where we want to boat and gives you additional interior living space), no stabilizers with the four stateroom layout (which I also prefer) and, has had a major interior update and refit throughout. It has been fished as it has outriggers and, the engines have been recently serviced - pictures make it look to be in excellent condition and very well cared for. I also like the teak cockpit sole and what I think is referred to as an extended flybridge providing a really nice aft of the enclosed bridge outside seating area. This one has a bow thruster (I've never had one so probably would not miss but have never tried handling this machine so don't know how useful that may be or not).
Any comment on the need for stabilizers on the 65? I know a lot depends on the level of cruising comfort you want, speed and weather. I'm used to cruising more of a 10 knot pace so like the stabilizers just to dampen the wake from passing cruisers but have certainly benefited from them in 3-4 foot beam seas too. (I do look forward to the ability to really get up and go this boat provides as I'm currently stuck with a top end of 15-16 knots)
Also; any idea what the fuel consumption on the boat is really like at 10 knots (I don't know if the DD compare as far as that's concerned)? I have the data sheets from Caterpillar on these engines - looks like a combined 25-30gph (?) at 1,000-1,200 rpm (which I'm estimating may be in the 10 knot area but don't know) and topping out somewhere in the 110-120gph at cruise (?).
Any other general comments or observations I should consider between these to very different boats would be appreciated.
They are both '98's.

Michael
 
Stabilizers are nice to have for slow cruising. They do make a difference but not so much once you're running at planning speeds. We rarely run slower than 17kts other than when heading in and out. The Cats are much more efficient than my Detroits but I burn around 18-20gph at 1000rpms which is a bit more than needed to run at hull speed or just shy of 10kts. I think you can run at hull speed at around 900rpm which will get the fuel burn down a bit more. The Cats should do better. As a comparison, I was looking at 54 Hatts with either 3412 Cats or 12V92 DDECs. The Cat boat burned the same as the Detroit boat at their fast cruise. Big difference was the Cat boat was cruising at 30Kts and the Detroit boat was doing 25Kts. When you pulled the throttles back the Cat boat became even more efficient than the Detroits. As for the open vs enclosed bridge, I never thought I'd want an enclosed bridge boat until I bought mine. Now it would be hard to go back. I've seen a few with the extended bridge deck and while they are nice for entertaining, I don't like how they obstruct the cockpit view from the bridge. If you fish this would be a big downside. We don't fish our boat but I do like to have an unobstructed view aft. Post a link to the 2 boats you are looking at, maybe we could offer more insight.
 
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The fuel burn you mention; 18-20 GPH - is that total fuel burn?
If that is total and you figure the Cats may be even a bit more efficient at 900 RPM then that's not bad.

Do you have stabilizers on yours?

What specifically do you like about the enclosed bridge versus open?
 
I had to post the above separate otherwise I was not allowed to insert links as I was still under my first 5 posts!

The two I've been looking at are:

http://starboardyachts.mymarinepages.com/yachts-for-sale.html/details-3445441

Big benefit of the one above is that it is already on the Great Lakes however really do want to use it down south for cruising and some fishing. I have gone to have a look at this one and it is exactly like the photos - dated but lots of potential.

This one below is on the West Coast. I already have a freight quote to Florida - ouch: $57K
I really like the interior refit, the hull was just repainted and the boat overall looks to be very well cared for and in great condition. I am planning to go look at it soon.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/19...untington-Beach/CA/United-States#.UxzHSP1D-ns


Let me know what you think…

I am going down to Lauderdale this Tuesday and may end up trying to look at one or two the 65Cs down there just for more comparison.
 
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Yes those fuel figures are combined and yes I do have stabilizers. There are a ton of benefits to the enclosed bridge. Much more comfortable, quieter, climate controlled etc. big thing you notice right away is how at the end of a long day at the helm you don't feel as tired or fatigued like you would on an open bridge. Real nice when the weather turns on you and it's start to rain hard. I find I have more company while running with the enclosed bridge. I have 2 young boys. Having them up top with us is much easier and safer with the enclosed bridge.
 
The California boat is much nicer. That's the new layout and a much nicer interior. The Ca boat is a 4 stateroom boat while the other is three. As for shipping, 57K seems pretty cheap for a boat that size.
 
saltshaker said:
The California boat is much nicer. That's the new layout and a much nicer interior. The Ca boat is a 4 stateroom boat while the other is three. As for shipping, 57K seems pretty cheap for a boat that size.
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I agree, it has the new layout down below and was custom ordered with a slightly custom galley arrangment and extended Bridge Layout. One of the companies I worked for Sold that boat to the Owner that took it CA. I picked it up at the Bertram Yard in Miami on the river and brought it to Fort Lauderdale where I ran it around for a few weeks working through a small Survey Punch list and then I delivered to I believe it was Dockwise in Port Everglades to ship it to the West Coast. He was an On-Call "Stand BY" load if someone Cancelled and was able to ship it last minute Very Cheap, I want to say like $25,000, but don't quote me on that, it was a long time ago. If I remember correctly it was in the Spring of 2001 and the guy who bought it was going to live on it. He was a Day Trader and lost AlOT of money when the Market Crashed on 9/11 and I think Ultimately he lost the boat. It was one of the 1st CAT Powered 65's I ran, most had 16V92's and I remember it being very fast for a 65. Going Off memory of 13 years ago I want to say 28 to 30Knt Cruise and 32 to 33 WOT. It sticks in my mind because it was a special boat. There was another Captain Tony that was with me on the trip from Miami and even he was amazed how well it ran because his owner previously had a 65C and had just built the Brand New 2001 86' Hatteras Conv. "Lady Diana" which is for sale currently as well. Both CAT 65's look in very nice condition but I would focus on the CA boat 1st, Better Layout.
 
That CA boat looks great. She has been for sale at that price for a long time.
 
capttonyf said:
I agree, it has the new layout down below and was custom ordered with a slightly custom galley arrangment and extended Bridge Layout. One of the companies I worked for Sold that boat to the Owner that took it CA. I picked it up at the Bertram Yard in Miami on the river and brought it to Fort Lauderdale where I ran it around for a few weeks working through a small Survey Punch list and then I delivered to I believe it was Dockwise in Port Everglades to ship it to the West Coast. He was an On-Call "Stand BY" load if someone Cancelled and was able to ship it last minute Very Cheap, I want to say like $25,000, but don't quote me on that, it was a long time ago.
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That's amazing that you actually know of and were involved in the delivery of that boat. It is definitely the one I'm focused on as I do like the EB and the four stateroom layout. I'm looking forward to seeing it and hope that what I find is as good as the images portray. Thanks for the reassuring info on performance. If the original owner shipped it for $25K more than 10 years ago maybe $57K is not all that bad. I'm thinking the fuel alone would probably add up to close to that to bring it on it's own bottom.
 
saltshaker said:
Yes those fuel figures are combined and yes I do have stabilizers. There are a ton of benefits to the enclosed bridge. Much more comfortable, quieter, climate controlled etc. big thing you notice right away is how at the end of a long day at the helm you don't feel as tired or fatigued like you would on an open bridge. Real nice when the weather turns on you and it's start to rain hard. I find I have more company while running with the enclosed bridge. I have 2 young boys. Having them up top with us is much easier and safer with the enclosed bridge.
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Jack - again; thanks for the great insight. I would tend to agree with you on the EB benefits. As for the stabilizers, if I do buy one without, I would probably definitely ad them fairly soon. The current owner of the CA boat has had all the recent work and refit done in a yard in Ensenada that seems much more cost effective than Florida. I was thinking if I were to purchase that one if it is possible to ad three or four port lights into the stateroom areas. I contacted Hatteras parts department and they gave me the name of the importer for the new oval style (like on the 64C and 68C) but I don't know if that makes sense, is possible or how it would look. You have them in yours from the looks of your profile image. Being northern boaters we really like fresh air and don't want to be stuck in the staterooms with only A/C running all the time. I know you can open deck hatches but sometimes that's just not enough. I did a quick tracing of the boats side profile from an original brochure, drawing them in to scale and think they would actually look OK (?). Will have to see if that may even be possible although again, you may have insight, since you own one as to what's between the interior fitting out in the staterooms and the hull.

I have a son and a daughter, now in their mid-teens, who both grew up and love boating; it was my daughter who actually originally found the CA boat online and has been bugging me to go look at it ever since. She loves the interior and the EB. My son loves to fish so it would be a great time for us to get into a little deep sea fishing for some excitement (will need someone to help us out with getting started in that area but that's another discussion and down the road a bit).
 
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nor'easter said:
That CA boat looks great. She has been for sale at that price for a long time.
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Thanks. Agreed - most of the current ones listed have been for sale since at least 2010/11 so it begs the question; what's the right offer to make? The right price is always what someone's willing to pay. It's a sizeable purchase that you have to be prepared to own for an extended period of time and in this case we'll probably have it for a long time so won't worry about that. Thanks for your vote for the CA boat!
 
CanadianBoater said:
That's amazing that you actually know of and were involved in the delivery of that boat. It is definitely the one I'm focused on as I do like the EB and the four stateroom layout. I'm looking forward to seeing it and hope that what I find is as good as the images portray. Thanks for the reassuring info on performance. If the original owner shipped it for $25K more than 10 years ago maybe $57K is not all that bad. I'm thinking the fuel alone would probably add up to close to that to bring it on it's own bottom.
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I agree, it's still interesting to this day for me when I see some of these boats pop up from years past and to know I've seen them, run them, knew the owner and or even the history a bit about where they've been. I grew up up in Pittsburgh, PA. boating since I was born. My father has always had boats that we used on the 3 Rivers around Pittsburgh, Lake Erie, and an occasional trip to Cape May, NJ. Ocean City, MD. and Big Pine Key FL. where we had a little house that he would rent out when we weren't using it.
To say I've had a life long passion for boats and the ocean is an understatement. When we would vacation to the coast and we'd start to get close I always wanted the windows down so I could smell the sea air. When I got out of school I worked many crappy jobs, Got my License, and ended up working at Allied Marine "Hatteras of Lauderdale" full time and then made enough connections thet I became a Freelance Captain for them and many other companies. I eventually got into the sales aspect of it so I could pick and choose when I wanted to travel as oppose to being that glorified truck driver that needed to travel to eat. I wouldn't trade those time or that expirience for anything, the places I've been, the things I learned and most importantly the people I met through the years.
I miss it at times, but my family, "children" have become whats most important now and until they're older we have to limit our FL. condo/boat trips to breaks from school and my occasional long weekend get away's with the adults. I only deal with old clients and friends on a part time basis now but I still know a good deal about many of these boats. If you ever have any questions or need anything I come on hear for fun, to help and to stay involved with other like minded people so feel free to get in contact with me and ask away. Oh. Lastly if you notice the salon windows have a slightly different trailing edge. There were only a few 65's to ever have that before they changed the entire tops sides look.
 
My boat still has the original port lights. We never open them and when we do want fresh air, the deck hatches work fine. The '98 boats still had port lights so the CA boat probably glassed them in the last time she was painted. Re installing shouldn't be an issue but I'd use the boat for a season before making that decision. As for stabilizers, the new gyro stabilizers are the way to go but the cost can be huge. I think you need two of the smaller ones for the 65C but you might get away with one. Florida Bow Thruster recently did a 65EB so they could give you some insight on cost and other options.
http://www.floridabowthrusters.com/
If you get serious about the CA boat, start a thread here inquiring about West Coats facilities. There are a few guys here that are on the west coast and have used yards in Ensenada.
 
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saltshaker said:
My boat still has the original port lights. We never open them and when we do want fresh air, the deck hatches work fine. The '98 boats still had port lights so the CA boat probably glassed them in the last time she was painted. Re installing shouldn't be an issue but I'd use the boat for a season before making that decision. As for stabilizers, the new gyro stabilizers are the way to go but the cost can be huge. I think you need two of the smaller ones for the 65C but you might get away with one. Florida Bow Thruster recently did a 65EB so they could give you some insight on cost and other options.
http://www.floridabowthrusters.com/
If you get serious about the CA boat, start a thread here inquiring about West Coats facilities. There are a few guys here that are on the west coast and have used yards in Ensenada.
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Jack,
Your right they did come with the port lights then but I know that some were ordered without them to try to give the boats that cleaner more modern look. The one in FL I'm not sure of but I know the one in CA did NOT have port lights when I ran it back in 2001 and to the best of my knowledge never had them. I'm not 100% sure but if I remember correctly I was told that boat was Custom Ordered by John Burkhard for one of his clients and it had numerous little changes throught that were implemented later in a few of the newer boats. If you look closely you can see the galley dinette arrangement is different along with the Bridge layout, helm design and extension. Even my 1990 45 came without port lights for some reason. I'm indifferent to them, I like the way they look and and the fact that you can get a little more natural air and light into the cabins/heads etc but I can't think of one boat that had them mounted in the forward staterooms in the flair of the hull that have never leaked or someone forgot to close tightly and caused a huge mess to clean up.
 
capttonyf said:
Another CAT powered 65 a little closer to Home. Not sure if you've seen this one but figured might be worth posting. 4 stateroom, but older window style compared to the 1998. Most people wouldn't notice a difference but most people on this site are not most people when it comes to these boats.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997/Hatteras-Convertible-2395034/Venice/LA/United-States
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Are these engines really rated at 710hp? Tell me that can't be true.

Is that photo of the helm area the bridge deck? Wow. When they say "enclosed", they are not fooling around, are they.
 
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