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SeaEric

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I have seen previous discussion here about insurance premium increases. I just got the (BoatUS) renewal for my 1970 Matthews 46 MY and it is up by 60%. It is for cruising Chesapeake Bay and tributaries only. Please refresh my geezer memory, Who have you guys gone to for a better price, with good coverage?
 
My Boat U/S policy went up 36% this year and about20% last year. I have called around including the companies mentioned on this board. It is getting hard to get a policy in the hurricane states, Most just said no thanks. One would only insure if the value was over 1 million and had a live aboard capt.
I did get a good price from Inamar, which is 900.00 less than my current premium. I am hauling in April and will have a survey done at that time then re shop. No telling how much the prices will go by then. It kills me to pay for a survey when I repair boats for a living. Between insurance and fuel it is getting hard to keep my dream boat.
 
Chad Branch, Charter Lakes, call him.

888-418-8301

They did me right.

Boat/US can go screw. They proposed a 60% premium increase on a no-loss history (and we were right under the gun with Ivan), and did it without clearance from the insurance commission in Florida. When they got told to pound sand by the state they went back and re-rated a bunch (maybe even all) policies around here to drop agreed value by a rediculous amount (in some cases by half!), since they couldn't actually legally collect their billed premiums.

I don't want that kind of "insurance." If they'll treat me this way BEFORE I have a claim, how will they treat me AFTER?
 
FWIW, Chad never had the courtesy to return my calls. I hope they treat their insured better!
 
When I've had a reason to call him I've had a response back within an hour or less.....
 
Gowrie, Bardon, and Brett has been excellent. We switched to them about 4 years ago with our previous boat and continued with them when we bought our 53MY last year. Their rates were lower than anyone else's, including Boat US and several other insurers who were supposedly competitive but weren't even close for the same coverage. I realize insurance rates vary considerably in different parts of the country but G,B and B did not increase our premium for 2006. We are located on Long Island Sound.

Fortunately, I've never had a claim to file but with any questions I had they have been extremely responsive.

Initially, when I contacted them to change to the 53 from our 36, they told me that they would not insure a boat that was more than 10 feet larger than the previous boat unless I provided a resume of experience operating the larger sized boat. I did so and they immediately provided the policy.

I wouldn't think anything like that would apply if you are simply moving the same boat from one insurance company to another.

Anyway, give 'em a try for a quote. There site is: http://www.gowrie.com/marine-insurance/index.aspx

But I suggest you call them rather than email them: 860 399-5945 or 800-262-8911.
 
I agree with Mike. I've been using GB&B for about ten years, now on my 1965 50' motoryacht and they've been great. I own an agency with another company and I still use them for my boat.

They will shop you around if the current carrier they have you with gets too high and mighty.

Nice people, too!

K
 
Gowrie was the company who said they do not write policies in FL unless the value is at least 1 mil. and has a live aboard crew. Dawn was interesting to talk to and I think there was a lot of truth in her statement " insurance is no longer a right it is getting to be a privledge" . She also said that after this year a lot of companies will go under. Thats why I have not dumped B/US .
I guess for dealing with cold winters the payoff is reasonable insurance premiums. The other excuse is that our boats are so old, they are hard to place. I believe our Hatts will be here long after the new bondo boats are in the landfill. Not to mention most of the people with the classic boats have a lot more experience.
 
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The other thing to realize is that in a marginal situation a Hatt will survive where may other hulls will fail.

This doesn't mean you won't take damage - but it may be the difference between damage and a total loss......
 
I have my 1966 41tc with Hagerty Marine Insurance. They specialize in antique and classic boats and my premium stayed the same this year and last year. They give you a 10% discount if you are a member of the Antique and Classic Boat Society. Worth talking to. I am in Boston Ma. and I went through Burke Ins. Agency in Salem Ma. Ask for Claire Gerrish. She is very knowledgable and will do anything she can to help you.
Good Luck, Fred
 
captddis said:
Dawn was interesting to talk to and I think there was a lot of truth in her statement " insurance is no longer a right it is getting to be a privledge" . She also said that after this year a lot of companies will go under. Thats why I have not dumped B/US .
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If insurance DOES become a privledge - I think it would be the end of recreational boating as we know it. Banks will refuse to write notes without it and relatively few of us can pay cash for these toys AND personally absorb risk of loss.
 
Karls post brought up a question I have had. I look at all the salvage sites and many of the boats do not have much more than rubrail and cosmetic damage. I do not see any reason to total them. The only thing I can think of is if because of the disclosure laws, owners do not want them fixed due to decreased value. I know that I can't replace my boat for what I would recieve in the event of a total. If mine did not sink or had non structural damage I would want it fixed. It seems that all these repairable boats being written off add to the high cost.
 
A lot of those "cosmetic" damages come with significant mechanical damage as well though - and that's the kicker. Rail damage looks fairly easy to fix, until you have to rip apart the entire interior to get to the backside so you can do it.

The other thing is that the auction values have been astounding.

Consider a local example here. Hurricane Ivan sinks a 43 Hatt of roughly my boat's vintage (High Performance model.) Floods the boat up to the intakes; both engines go under, along with the genset, etc. The hull is holed as well.

The boat is totalled and the insurance company writes a check. Let's say it was insured for $200k (probably about right.)

The boat goes to the boneyard, and at auction fetches $70,000. Holed, with dead motors! I about shat - I was actually considering buying her if she had gone cheap - I might have paid $10, or even $20 - but once the bidding kept going, my mouth snapped shut and I watched slack-jawed as it kept going and going and going.

The guy who BUYS it pays to have the hull hotpatched, and THEN pulls the engines and has them rebuilt - "for real", out of the boat. He also reconditions the interior, etc.

Now from where I sit he got a HORRIBLE deal. He could have probably bought MINE for the money he has in this, and mine has never been sunk. In addition I bet he has a LOT of fun getting insurance on it now, given its history, AND if he sells it he has to disclose what happened or if its discovered later he'll get his butt sued off.

BUT - the insurance company really only wrote a check for $130k - not $200k. They didn't do as bad as it looks at first blush.

Boat/US's tactic this year in Florida has been to cut agreed values RADICALLY, in most cases to "LOW BOOK." In many cases even after a storm loss involving a sinking these boats will sell for close to that number at auction - especially for "names" like Hatteras.

What Boat/US has done is find a way to write insurance with very, very little ACTUAL monetary risk to them.

Consider that Hatteras. "Low Book" is probably $120k. If they get $70 at auction, they only really had $50,000 at risk. If their premium was $4,000 a year, if it happens once every 10 years they win big, especially when you figure the time value of money and their investment of the premiums received.

The law of averages say they win - the last big one here before Ivan was Opal - 9 years previous.

It indeed may become true in the not-so-distant future that the only insurance you will be able to buy as a recreational boater is liability. I actually considered this - buying a liability-only policy (they're cheap) and considering the hull value "my risk" - if I total it, I eat it. While this originally sounds stupid, the math on it isn't quite so simple - with the time value of the money I spend on hull insurance, I can actually afford to take a total loss once every 20 years or so and come out ahead......

But for the guy who needs to finance, its the end of the line. No bank will write a loan without coverage, and that'll be the end of it for a huge segment of the market.

I suspect, though, that when it comes to older boats like most of ours here, that many people do indeed pay cash......
 
How would it really work if you couldn't renew insurance and the boat was financed? Would the finance company repossess the boat even though the payments were being made? Seems to me they'd rather be getting the payments than take the boat. Maybe not?
 
Most finance contracts include a clause that you must maintain insurance and if you don't, they will buy it and add that to your monthly payments.

I know all auto finance agreements have this in them, and I assume boat contracts do too.

The price they will get for that "high risk" policy will be VERY ugly, and so will your bill. My guess is that in that situation you'll lose the boat as it will be repo'd when you can't make payments that double overnight......
 
That is the dilemma. I own my boats I was contemplating not insuring the old Chris. I can't take the risk on the Hatt as I could not afford the loss it would be the end of my boating. I am thinking about dropping the windstorm on the house if it gets much more expensive.
One of my pet peeves is that a lot of us take great pains to protect our boats. I have spent thousands adding more and taller pilings. All the tie poles are tripled with rope risers. I also have a hurricane haulout and have 10 jackstands for the boat if needed. Yet we get no consideration from the insurance cos.
The boats that are kept in unprotected locations are always damaged and owners file claims over and over. I told a underwriter that WHERE the boat is stored should be considered into the cost. In addition a picture of your dock should be required with renewal. It fell on deaf ears. No more rants for today!
Dave
 
Karl,
I too did the math, but could not get myself to take the chance. Also I too have been shocked at the prices boats have brought. A lot of dreamers lost money. The auction sites are reselling boats that were bought last year.
I thought about the liability only route on thr Chris, it was HALF of the total cost. Did not make sense to me.
When I had the Bertram Boat U/S reduced the value, after a call I got it back up to within 3.000.00 of what it was. You are right they used low Buc value. I told them that 90.000.00 was spent on the repower and the Buc price did not reflect that. I also said that you could not buy one for the low Buc price.
 
Interesting approach. Liability only.

In my past 18 years of boat ownership I guesstimate I've paid about $25,000 in premiums. Say half was hull coverage. During that time I had one claim of $7000 for storm damage. I figure I'd be up about $5k if I went liability only. You folks in Florida where premium are skyrocketing would save even more.

However, for me, having to pony up for a total loss would make a serious dent in the kids college fund and likely be the end of my boating.
 
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A total loss would likely take me out of the "large boat" arena entirely.

But - then again, there are so many different ways to end up there without having an insurance loss. Guess what's going to happen to large boat values in this area of the market if diesel stays near $3/gallon?

Are there ways to lose half - or more - of your boat's value without having it sink? Oh yeah. And those aren't insurable.....

To a certain degree all boats are the folly of people who just plain love 'em, just like horses are.....
 
Interesting I am shopping for insurance on a 37C, annual rates are @$1,700. Progressive's site (see Yachtworld's link) will quote instantly without property or comprehensive because the vessel is to old. What is the annual fee? $282.00. Still I would need to go for 86 years without a loss to break even.
Hal
 

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