Hull numbers wanted

[johnjen50]

Here you go Rusty. Hull 477, and put it on the signature. Great idea!

 

[SEVEN]

Here you go Rusty. Hull 477, and put it on the signature. Great idea!

Thanks John.

 

[Pascal]

It would be equally interesting if members would add their engine models along with the hull numbers...

 

[SEVEN]

I wanted to let you know this has been a very successful post. Although not many members have made comments we have seen lots of hull numbers added. We have numerous members with numbers just one or two from one another on opposite sides of the country. It’s easy to add under your signature so please do so. Thanks in advance. SEVEN/Rusty

 

[Toolsntoys]

Rusty I see your 12 numbers behind my 1980 at #575. Do you know how many 53s where made per year.

 

[SEVEN]

No I don’t. Sky might know the answer to that one. If not I’m going to call Steve at Sam’s to order something and will ask him. Did you see you were only two in front of my friend in Alameda?

 

[Photolomy]

A linear regression of the years and numbers posted thus far, just for 53 MY and 53 ED, indicate 29 per year. That assumes that the numbers were assigned sequentially and there are no gaps. I heard somewhere that at some times they were delivering one a week. I don't have any data to support that though.

 

[SEVEN]

I’d love to know what they sold for on average when new.

 

[SEVEN]

A linear regression of the years and numbers posted thus far, just for 53 MY and 53 ED, indicate 29 per year. That assumes that the numbers were assigned sequentially and there are no gaps. I heard somewhere that at some times they were delivering one a week. I don't have any data to support that though.

I spoke with Steve at Sam’s this morning. There were a total of 349 53’ MY built and 67 53’ ED built.

 

[Photolomy]

I’d love to know what they sold for on average when new.

Looking at old boating magazines (available on google books), mid to late 1970's 53 MY was between $225k and $250k. That translates to about a million or a little more than a million today.

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

Not that any of you slow boaters will care, but my 1983 55C left the factory new at $480,000. Looks like the invoice and owner's manual were typed on a Smith-Corona portable complete with corrections.

 

[Photolomy]

Inflation was crazy in the 70's and early 80's. $250k in 1975 is $484k, inflation adjusted, in 1983. In those 8 years, prices almost doubled. It took over 20 years after that for prices to double again.

 

[drburke]

I spoke with Steve at Sam’s this morning. There were a total of 349 53’ MY built and 67 53’ ED built.

I was holding off on getting into this, but most of you are posting bogus numbers. This has come up a lot in the past so here are the links:

https://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?4762-Hull-or-HIN/
https://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?8576-hull-numbers/
http://www.samsmarine.com/hull-id-information/
https://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?4214-Hull-Number-Identification/
https://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?2457-serial-number/
http://www.usps.org/national/safety/HIN/HIN.pdf

My take on decoding the numbers based upon my 1984 52C: HATCS304M84E

HAT is the MIC database manufacturer identification code for Hatteras Yachts
CS is the hull code from here https://www.samsmarine.com/brochures/
3 is the series, production, or something number that nobody knows (more below) NOT hundreds digit!
04 is the sales number very close to sequential serial
M84E is certification year and month see above E=December 1984, M prefix means alternate method.

True production numbers are often written on the underside of the drawers, but sometimes interior hardware was moved from line to line as needed.

I do know factually that my boat was the third 52C hull built, and the fourth sold.

How? Hulls "01" and "02" sold in order, but mine was probably the first galley down (and a little less desirable) so hull production hull "05" passed it during sales as third sold, and mine was assigned "04" upon selling shortly afterwards. (BTW, "03" was on the forum and up in Seattle.) Production of the "new 1984 52C" started late 1983 before November, so Hatteras got about five out the door by December if that's true so 2 per month max.

I think the 52 is actually a 2' stretch on a 50 hull so the 3 series may be a reflection of that history.

Also, Hatteras sometimes had hulls updated of the same length, for example, my 1968 (pre '72 requirements) 34' was 34C379 or third series actual hull serial #79 sequentially.

So everybody here is quoting wildly high hull numbers; most are considerably lower.

Angela in the past learned that hers was hull #160 but somehow the hundreds digit was encoded differently--Hatteras knows but does not want to be too forthcoming. From earlier posts you could assume a dozen or so a year and guess your sequential.

This makes sense because with the size of a yacht and the production floor, there is no way Hatteras was making hundreds per year based on factory limitations alone.

Rusty is confirming this with his information.

Steve (SAMS) told me that the 52C was one of the most popular models (maybe third down) and a total of 192 were manufactured during a seven year span from 1983-1990 average 27 per year once up and running.

DAN

 

[SEVEN]

I spoke to Steve at Sams Marine this morning. For instance my hull number is 563 Yet the production number is 363. He looked it up based on my number 563 and gave me the true production number. As far as they’re concerned you can use either but you’d have to contact them to get your true numbers. It’s a tad confusing so I’m just gonna leave mine at the 563 because I’ve memorized it and it’s hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

 

[SEVEN]

To make this even more confusing and the reason I’m staying with 563. I was told my production number was 363 and yet there were only 349 53’ motor yachts built.

 

[madhatter1]

I have a 1966 34 with #33 on the backs of all drawers
I also have (long sad story of bad investing) a 1969 45 with #1 on all drawers.

What if anyone knows are the true hull/production numbers?

 

[drburke]

I spoke to Steve at Sams Marine this morning. For instance my hull number is 563 Yet the production number is 363. He looked it up based on my number 563 and gave me the true production number.

No worries, but to be clear the "production number" is also not the actual serial hull number either, just a reference they use when making it.

I am not being too clear, but here goes: Hatteras made 53MY for about 19 years (220 months actually) and total hulls was 349 according to Steve, so production was about 1.6 per month.
Rusty, yours is 1979 (don't know the actual month but it is on your HIN) so let's just say mid-year or month 6. So 10 months of production in 1969, 8 full years of 12 months through 1978, and 6 months for mid-1979 makes June '79 the 112th month of production.

At about 1.6 hulls per month times 112 months means mid-year they were fabricating hull #176 so I bet yours was made in the Spring of 1979 and is the 163rd hull ever made. Double check this with the date code--your Pepsi is on me if I am wrong!

...It’s a tad confusing so I’m just gonna leave mine at the 563 because I’ve memorized it and it’s hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

You do that! It's your boat to enjoy. And you are far from "old dog" status yet!

DAN

 

[tom5518]

No worries, but to be clear the "production number" is also not the actual serial hull number either, just a reference they use when making it.

I am not being too clear, but here goes: Hatteras made 53MY for about 19 years (220 months actually) and total hulls was 349 according to Steve, so production was about 1.6 per month.
Rusty, yours is 1979 (don't know the actual month but it is on your HIN) so let's just say mid-year or month 6. So 10 months of production in 1969, 8 full years of 12 months through 1978, and 6 months for mid-1979 makes June '79 the 112th month of production.

At about 1.6 hulls per month times 112 months means mid-year they were fabricating hull #176 so I bet yours was made in the Spring of 1979 and is the 163rd hull ever made. Double check this with the date code--your Pepsi is on me if I am wrong!
DAN

Sorry Dan, you owe Rusty that Pepsi. "563" would have been the fall of 1979.

 

[Photolomy]

I spoke to Steve at Sams Marine this morning. For instance my hull number is 563 Yet the production number is 363. He looked it up based on my number 563 and gave me the true production number. As far as they’re concerned you can use either but you’d have to contact them to get your true numbers. It’s a tad confusing so I’m just gonna leave mine at the 563 because I’ve memorized it and it’s hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

And you should. It's on your hull. And that is also what Sams calls the hull number, or at least the hull id.

http://www.samsmarine.com/hull-id-information/

Not sure how production numbers got confused with hull numbers.

 

[SEVEN]

I love it Dan, I’ve got supporters who are backing me. this will give us lots to talk about on the way down to Los Angeles. I certainly hope the weather is good to us. I just don’t want to do the fog thing again.