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How about that shooting at the VA College ?

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Walter P said:
Humans are nasty critters by nature, especially when the chips are down - witness Katrina.

Walt

It is saddly ironic the duality of man is best seen in these instances. Absolute evil and absolute good and selfless giving occurring at the same time.
 
Thanks all for this spirited discussion.

No doubt the good Dr. has his heart in the right place. However I must weigh in on several points:

Countries that are awash in firearms are also plagued by firearm related injuries.

Not exactly. This does not take into account many third world nations where waring factions battle each other year after year.

Everyone looks at and interprets the data to support their point of view. My point of view is that having this many guns around makes us all less safe, not safer……It's interesting- everyone complains about the fact that we have too many lawyers around (til they need one, anyway) and a lot of folks think that having fewer lawyers around would reduce the number of lawsuits. This line of reasoning doesn't seem to apply to guns, though.

The effects of legal guns are not about interpreting data anymore. The hard evidence points to the fact that fewer crimes are committed where the law abiding citizen is allowed to bear arms.

(I know a few lawyers I’d like to shoot). However this is comparing apples to oranges. In our world of “laws” unfortunately the lawyers have the upper hand in making the laws (and also have some of the most powerful lobbiest in Washington). Sadly “Tort Reform” failed a few years back and we continue to live with our horrendous system of law suite “self perpetuation”.

I too am shocked over what happened last Monday. I used to travel to Blacksburg, VA. My heart and condolences goes out to the families and friends who lost loved ones in this tradgic incident.

Yes to some degree “counciling” can be a “feel-good” politically correct band aid to those affected, but it can also be necessary to those severly affected. The real problem is how do you reach those who are truely socialpathicly disturbed and who generally refuse to get help or acknowledge that they have a problem.

“The gun control movement in this country should never be taken seriously until the they tell us just how they plan to get the guns out of the hands of the criminals.” Neal Boortz.
 
Paul,

I believe counseling is important...especially when something so horrific has occurred to young folks.

But to address the softness of today's society (and I don't want to take this thread off tangent so I'll be short)...I firmly believe it lies in the "don't harm the kid's self-esteem" belief that is being touted. Be it education, or discipline, not holding a kid (or adult for that matter) responsible for his actions, has I believe, led to disastrous results.

Back to the line of the thread:

Seeing the pictures and reading the bios of the deceased today has been simply heart wrenching

Rick
 
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Rick,

My wife is a teacher and she explained to me that the counseling is important because so many parents do not talk to their kids.



I have been catching some clips of this story tonight. Seems there were warning signs, but a person can not be arrested based on some ones gut predictions.
 
After seeing some of the shooters videos tonight, I can't help but think that he is really a terrorist and not some mixed up kid. His anti-Christian referrences and anti-capitalist/anti-wealth comments are not much different than the Muslim extremists.

I know several people with conceal-carry permits that don't usually carry even though they could. This incident has made them realize that they should exercise their right to carry more often.

It's just too bad that we these safe anti-weapon zones. It seems that those places are always where these types of incidents occur. Hum, I wonder why? :rolleyes:
 

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