Haulout question

[J's Dream]

I am hauling my boat in August, and have a question about the travel lift. How many straps are required to lift my '69 45C? The marina wants 3 or 4 straps, but I think thats so they can charge an extra $5 per foot out and $5 per foot back in. How many straps do I really need?

Also, once I have it hauled, are there any pointers you can give me that I wouldn't normally think of??? Thanks guys.

Jason

 

[jim rosenthal]

$5 per FOOT? Ouch.

That said, you would be better off looking for another marina then arguing with them. You can't win, kind of- if something goes wrong, they'll say they told you so, and if it doesn't, they'll be pissed off because you were right- and get it out of you some other way.

I would ask other marinas what they use to haul a 45C. 3 or 4 straps wouldn't surprise me. They are heavy boats. And big.

 

[J's Dream]

Yup, any additional straps over the first 2, are $2.50 each strap, each way...I thought it was kinda steep too.

 

[DickB]

I just hauled my 44TC last week. Two straps.

But I don't know how you argue the issue with them. If you use 2 or 3 against their recommendation, and something breaks, they may not be liable.

Dick

 

[Nonchalant1]

They haul my 53MY (60,000 lbs.) all the time wit 2 straps.

FYI - Look on your boat's hull near the rub rail for "strap markings" like a little sign that says "sling here" or "sling forward of here". It makes a huge difference where the straps are placed because propshafts can be damaged by somebody that doesn't know the boat if they place one too far back. Then the strap can lift against the keel, the propshafts and the hull instead of just the keel and the hull, and it bends your shafts and struts. If your boat has no sling marks, call Hatteras to find out how far forward the back strap must be, or maybe find somebody on this forum with a '69 45C. If you happen to have stabillizers, the same goes for them...need to know where the fins are so they don't break them with a strap.

Doug Shuman

 

[Genesis]

My 45C (Series II) had tags that said "end of keel".

The proper lift point was about a foot forward of that. The straps would bear on the keel and hull-side, and clear the shafts (not by much, but they did!)

Lift behind the keel and you hose the shafts for sure, and maybe more....

Always used 2 double straps (4 total) on my 45C. $5/foot isn't that bad if it includes blocking and such - the guy who bought Gig paid $195 for a quick-haul with the boat never leaving the slings if I remember correctly.... I've been charged $200 for a quick haul before when I had to change a trim hose (really pissed me off too - a $10 problem cost me $200!)

BTW last time I was out with a scale on the lift it read 40,000lbs - and that was light on fuel!

 

[StratPlan61]

Lots of variables here to consider. I have seen marinas use 4", 6", 8", 10" and wider slings. So much depends of the Marine Lift operator, his/her experience, sling placement, etc. Don't risk anything over these few dollars. Use 4 and follow the great guidance of the last several posts. After she is out, take several photographs. Ask others what they think later and next time you'll feel better about how you want her lifted next time. I would prefer to be safe with too many than too few. I have heard these slings break - yes the insurance fix is on them - but your dreamboat may be damaged beyond repair. Last time I incurred the 'insurance claim' nightmare - the boater always loses!

Bear'
1984 61' MY Strategic Plan

 

[luckydave215]

You guys on the east coast have it cheap. I paid $800 for a survey haul, no blocking, the boat sayed in the marine railway cart just out of the water.

 

[Trojan]

I pull my 43 with 3 slings. 2 in the stern about 4 ft. apart on a spreader and one forward. It all depends on the lift and the type straps used. I prefer to use 2 straps in the engine area. That is usually the heaviest area. All slings are rated for the weight they will lift and of coarse so is the lift. It is hard to believe how much your boat will bend when it is in the lift. I would never use less than 3 slings.



Bill

 

[Genesis]

Yeah, its interesting - the tuna door on Gigabite would always stick when the boat was on the hard - but never did when she was in the water.

The doors in the cabin also would tend to stick.....

There's quite a bit of flexure even in these solid hulls when the boat's out of water...... this is also why trying to set alignment on the hard is a complete waste of time.....

 

[jim rosenthal]

No kidding. In my old wooden boats, none of the cabinet doors or drawers would work when she was hauled. Even with a glass boat,things move around and get sticky after only a day out of the water. As far as alignment goes, I think not only should they be in the water for a few days, but maybe even run an hour or two to have everything settle in where it's supposed to be.

 

[Trojan]

I almost did a dumb thing when I first got My 43. It sat on the hard for 2.5 years. The side doors in the aft cabin would not close. I thought how could a guy use his boat with doors that won't close. The boat is thick glass it can't change shape that much. I will just plane the door down until it closes. Then I don't have to mess with it in the water. What was I thinking? Luckily I could not find My plane. The door fits just fine now. Still have not found the plane. Some days I think I need a brain check instead of spell check.



BILL

 

[neosin]

I am hauling my boat in August, and have a question about the travel lift. How many straps are required to lift my '69 45C? The marina wants 3 or 4 straps, but I think thats so they can charge an extra $5 per foot out and $5 per foot back in. How many straps do I really need?

Also, once I have it hauled, are there any pointers you can give me that I wouldn't normally think of??? Thanks guys.

Jason

Jason, I just pulled my 1972 Hatt 44 TC out with 2 straps. The guy thought maybe it needed more but he figured with no water in it, it should be less than 50,000 lbs easy. It came out without a problem with 2 straps...

 

[ADaily3224]

My 36 has the strap position marked "lift here" with small tags. In Buffalo our boats are stored on land for 7 months, so they are in and out at least once a year. Most of the marina operators use lots of blocks and jack stands. I don't have any sagging, sticky doors, misaligned cabinets, while out of the water. I never heard of charging by the strap, it's usually by the foot, everyone seems to charge $5.00 per, if more straps are needed, so be it. There's no extra charge for back in, it's a one time charge for the in and out. Last quick haul I had done for a 33 Bertram survey was discounted to $100. There's so much competition up here, plenty of slips available, the marina operators bend over back words to keep your business. Winter storage includes haul out-launch in the spring, and the total cost for a 36' boat can be as little as $900 depending on where you go. It is a short season but we seem to use our boats almost as much as many with a 12 month season.

 

[Freebird]

Hope this is not taking this thread off-track, but I have a question. How long can you normally expect to have to work on your boat with a "quickie" haulout with the boat still in the slings?

I discovered last week that some of my through-hulls have been neglected (big surprise), AC in particular (couldn't shut off and service the strainer), and will probably have to be replaced. I'm sure this varies from place to place. Any suggestions for a yard around Bradenton/Sarasota?

PS I'm with you guys on not arguing about numbers of slings vs liability.

 

[Trojan]

If you need time in the sling. Talk to the lift people and find out lift times. I have pulled out at late afternoon and hung the entire night. Working all night on the boat. I have also hung during the day until they needed the lift again. It all depends on the marina.


BILL

 

[Freebird]

Thanks Bill. I'm sure like you say that there will be differences in allowed time based on attitudes and work loads. I'll shop around to see who seems to have the most flexibility. I had never done a "quickie" before and didn't know what to expect.

 

[Liquid Asset]

Randy,

You are going to have to Haul at Rivertown unless you want to pay Snead Island Prices for labor and not do any work yourself. They are very resonable, we were hauled for 2 weeks and our bill was less than $1000 with the daily storage.

It is a trick to haul at Rivertown because of your size, but they can do it. Most of the yards here in this area will not even let you vacuum the carpet in your boat while your hauled. There are only 2 that let you do anythign. Plus, they do not let you bring your own Sub contractors. This is why Rivertown is your best bet for a haul.

 

[Freebird]

Plus, they do not let you bring your own Sub contractors.

Does that mean I couldn't bring yachtsmanbill with me?

 

[yachtsmanbill]

Yeh-- nothing like doing a hand stand looking at bad pistons in that old oil burner. You may have some company soon tho-- read your PM ws