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I read this and it sounds like a marketing hoax from GM. Thought diesels got power and economy because of extra potential engergy in diesel fuel.

GM unveils diesel-like gasoline engines
Drivable concept versions of General Motors cars that use efficient new engines with HCCI technology revealed Friday.
August 24 2007: 10:35 AM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors revealed two drivable concept cars with new engines that burn gasoline in virtually the same way that a diesel engine burns diesel fuel.

The engines will get 15-percent better fuel economy than ordinary gasoline engines, GM estimates, but will not need the expensive exhaust treatment that diesel engines require.


GM is revealing the fuel saving diesel-like gasoline engine in a version of the Saturn Aura.


Several car companies have been working on this type of engine technology, commonly known as homogeneous charge compression ignition, or HCCI. The technology promises the fuel economy of a diesel engine, which is typically much more efficient than a gasoline engine, but with the much cleaner exhaust of a gasoline engine.

In an HCCI engine, gasoline is ignited inside the cylinder using compression and the engine's own heat without the need of a spark. This is the same way that a diesel engine ignites diesel fuel. (When the engine is first started, and until it warms up, GM's HCCI engine still uses a spark to ignite the fuel.)

This type of ignition results in more energy to propel the vehicle because the fuel burns with less heat and light, which wastes energy, and because there is more compression when the fuel is ignited and, therefore, more of a push when the fuel and air expand.

"I remember debating the limits of combustion capability when I was in college," Tom Stephens, group vice president, GM Powertrain and Quality, said in a company statement. "HCCI was just a dream then. Today, using math-based predictive analysis and other tools, we are beginning to see how we can make this technology real."

The vehicles GM showed Friday are a Saturn Aura and an Opel Vectra, two virtually identical mid-sized sedans, both equipped with 180-horsepower 2.2-liter four cylinder HCCI engines.

The can drive at up to roughly 55 miles per hour using diesel-like ignition but will have to rely on traditional spark ignition at higher speeds or under heavy loads, GM said.

"Perhaps the biggest challenge of HCCI is controlling the combustion process," said Dr. Uwe Grebe, executive director for GM Powertrain Advanced Engineering.

Engineers hope to increase operating range under HCCI and improve performance under cold weather and high-altitude conditions, the company said.
 
That process used to be bad and was called Pre-ignition! I guess they've found a way to control it and not make it "pre."

All previous gas engine technology is designed to ensure you DON'T have an explosion in the combustion chamber(that's detonation and it destroys engines), but a controlled burning of the charge. Seems like this process would light it off all at once with a nice BANG!

But then I'm sure waaay smarter guys than us are/have sorted it out with computer sensors/fuel metering, programming etc. Seems like it would require heavier duty reciprocating parts but maybe not...
 
Mike could these be the same guys that tried to convert a 350cid gas engine to a diesel?

in this new engine i would have to guess it is a direct injection engine with a computer controll that changes the timing and when fuel get injected depending on when it is using spark plugs or not.
 
LOL Good One! :)

The thing's definitely real - I did a search on "homogeneous charge compression ignition" and got a jillion hits! Apparently they have some working in test mode, anyway. One I saw is at some university where they are using a modded VW engine. Some people think they will be in production cars within 5 years.
 
Diesel's efficiency comes from:

Higher compression ratio
no throttle (thus less pumping losses)
Fuel is metered instead of air (Air/Fuel ratio isn't fixed near 13:1 like in gasser)
slower rpm (this is minmal though)

The fact that the fuel has more energy doesn't matter because efficiency is calculated based on energy available per pound of fuel.



If ya'll want a detailed explanation of how this thing works, I just read an article about it in ME magazine. I don't expect to see it in your car anytime soon lol press releases

Here is the link:
http://www.memagazine.org/july07/departments/tech_focus/techfocus1.html

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I have a Rotex Direct injection engine in my SeaDoo. it has fuel injectors coupled on top of an air injector. air injector and fuel injector both have 150psi pumps. direct injection into the cylinder. Uses spark plug to ignite however.

sounds like a similar set up with exception of the lower compression and use of spark plugs.
 
It is not. What you have sounds almost identical to the direct injection on the merc outboard (optimax aka JUNK) lol.

The the engine in the article works "just like your shower". The complex control system has to mix the precise amount of hot and cold air to control the ignition timing. Cool idea...bitch to stabilize i bet.
 

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