getting others to go to the dark side

[67hat34c]

I have been on Boat Us as some of you know, Freebird threads take on a life of their own. Long and the short some of the sea ray carver bayliner owners were cutting on vintage hats so i started to defend our honor, recommend reading some of the posts, i will paraphrase:

57 carver late model MY, owner calls it a 60 but who is counting. anyhow he says economy of a light weight boat is a plus, his weighs 59000 lbs. owner of a hatteras 60c who may be a member here,not sure, state his was 116k lbs and his fuel burn was not that different from the carver.

now if i knew nothing of boats and saw the raw numbers I would say the 116k boat was far superior. Anyhow mabe posting stuff on sites like boat us will get a few others to take a look at the treasures that we love and enjoy.

funny that the guizcruiser at 68' and 130klbs+ burnd about the same fuel as the 57 carver at hull speed. the other funny thing is the guy with the carver did not even pick up on this.

 

[CARL GUZMAN]

I was exagerating because thats how the thred started , but theres no way that guys Carver can do 30knts with Volvos maybe down hill ,or down stream in some rapids

 

[thoward]

I got to chit chat with a Bayliner MY owner this last weekend. It was an eye opening conversation. His dream boat was a Mainship and all he talked about was the foo foo stuf like the stove/grill on the back deck. He was happy to stay in the ICW and knew his boat was crap in rough seas. It served his needs as he would never go offshore. I guess if you never take your boat in to rough seas there is no reason to have a Hatteras as they really are fat pigs.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Fat pig or Foo Foo boat, the weather does not know the difference. Eventually you WILL get caught out in it(unless you never leave the dock). When that storm rolls through, that grill and few cupholders doesn't really do ya to much good, does it?

 

[luckydave215]

owner of a hatteras 60c who may be a member here,

Yeah, that's me. I couldn't resist setting some of those guys straight.
My slip neighbor has the same boat (Carver 570 Voyager) and reports she really does 26 knots (fast nonetheless) with the POS Volvo's that this mechanic has to work on every week.
He tok her to Cabo last winter, and paid a captain to bring her back (it's a long slog to weather coming back "uphill").
He said the boat did great, the only problem she had was one forward porthole blew in in heavy weather, blasting the forward stateroom with salt water and requiring complete refinishing.
He thought that was normal for all boats. I kept quiet, didn't want to hurt his feelings.........

 

[Wild Bill]

I wonder how many 40 year old Carvers look as good as the Catherine Mae or for that matter, just about any classic 30-40 year old Hatt. Did they even make those corks back then? To some folks quality means nothing, look at Daewoo for example.

 

[34Hatt]

Yeah, that's me. I couldn't resist setting some of those guys straight.

Hey Dave after your post with the pictures and the Guy replied decent enough Boat I almost choked That when I knew it was a waste of time there. Just remember you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.
On their behalf there are a lot of boaters ( aka weekend warriors) who just don't go into big water. They do boat every weekend but just don't go far. So for them a Big hatt or any Hatt is just wrong. Imagine taking a 15-20 min trip the poor motors would never get to temp and roll over a play dead after a few season I know of a 1970's 36C It is in pretty nice shape and just sits at the dock all season but owner does not want to sell and that is a shame!!!

 

[luckydave215]

Hey Dave after your post with the pictures and the Guy replied decent enough Boat I almost choked

What he actually said was " OK boat, not the prettiest"............


I guess his center console is more "yachtie" than a classic Hatt.

 

[Mike53C]

What he actually said was " OK boat, not the prettiest"............


I guess his center console is more "yachtie" than a classic Hatt.

Let them rot in their own misery......
Since I saw your ER I have been doing plans to improve mine.

Miguel

 

[thoward]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hatteras had a distinct look, as did Post, Bertram and others. From a pure looks standpoint, the old Buddy Davis' are as good as it gets for me. The folks with the lighter foo foo boats are correct in the fact that they are faster and more fuel efficient. There is a growing number of folks in that segment. This winter we have only been able to get out 6-8 times due to the weather. There is only one other boat in our marina that got out more than us and it was a Hatt too. I guess there are those who are more interested in what a boat has than what it does.

 

[luckydave215]

The (stupid) fact is that most boaters value cup holders more than stringers.

 

[(Nobody You Know)]

The folks with the lighter foo foo boats are correct in the fact that they are faster and more fuel efficient. There is a growing number of folks in that segment.

Next time tell 'em that if fuel economy were an issue you would be cruising a blowboat and that you really love your Hatteras because it is a proven quality boat and you don't care how much fuel it burns because you can afford it!

These poor unfortunate miserables sound like Chevy owners when talking about Mercedes Benz....envious as hell. Sad way to go through life.

Carver, been that done there (but I'll pass on the t-shirt).

 

[Pascal]

I think it was in that thread that one of them kept coming back to the fact that his boat was more expensive... yeah... real sign of inteligence !

there is a 56 or 57 Carver right behind my boat... man... is that thing ugly !!!! i think credit for the word "wedding cake" goes to angela... but at the stern that's exactly what it is... layer after layer... i has a Star Was helmet looking enclosed bridge and a short stubby bow probably shorter than my old maxum 37... they can just squeeze a small sun pad there. i dont' get it... the bow of our boats is great ! huge pad, wide seat for 6 and more seating on the deck boxes... 10 or 12 people can sit comfortably there, it's one the most popular spot on my boat !

hopefully these builders have upped their quality a little... i don't see too many 20 or 30 year old carver around the docks...

 

[Boatsb]

As someone who crossed long island sound in a houseboat I can attest to the fact that not all boats were built to take on weather but weather takes on all boats.

You lock your doors to protect your self in case of...
You wear a seatbelt to protect yourself.....
You buy a Hatteras ( or another quality boat) to protect yourself from mother nature. She can be a real Mother &%$^$# at times.

 

[Boss Lady]

Poor people don't know they are poor until they see how the rich live. Ignorant boat owners don't know their boat is a piece of crap until they see a real boat, i.e. Hatteras, Betram or a custom. Even better is to experience the ride when the weather is wicked. I was out in the Fountain offshore last week, and the only other boats were Hatts and a couple of 35 footers I could not identify. 4-6 foot with 20 knot winds. It was not fun in the Fountain, one Hat sportfish passed us on the way back in and everyone was sitting on the gunwales in the cockpit drinking beers, we were hunkered down and they were having a party! Big difference in the ride since that Hat was parting the waves like a battleship!

 

[CARL GUZMAN]

The first boat I looked at before buying mine was an 1988 Ocean 63' sportfish @299k and when they took that thing out of the water for the survey I thought the straps where going to cut right thru the boat ,she was growling and aching and making all sorts on noises I looked at the crane operator with this "we just commited murder look " and asked if we should just put her back in the water the rub rail was over streched on the edge of ripping off and when she sat back in the water I noticed the swim platform was just 2 inches off the water ,talk about soaked.the offer was in the low 200's and later went lower but I got cold feet

so instead my dumass got a great boat but went over my budget by 200k

 

[luckydave215]

.. i don't see too many 20 or 30 year old carver around the docks...

Look UNDER the docks

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I think you guys are just jealous. Admit it. You really want to find one of those "classic" Carver Mariners with those beautiful Nautilux decks. The true predecessor to the modern bubble boat craze and way ahead of it's time!

 

[jim rosenthal]

I want the one that looks like a Nike running shoe. That way I don't have to exercise anymore, not that I do enough anyway. I can just sit in my running shoe boat and eat and drink, instead of putting them on my feet and actually doing anything.

The saving grace of most of those boats is that they don't get used much and when they do it is generally in protected water. You don't hear of them sinking all the time. You do hear of their value sinking, though. Come to think of it, old Hatteras yachts have taken a financial hit lately was well...

I feel like the water and the weather are unpredictable enough that I want a sturdy boat around me when the shinola hits the fan. While I love being out ON the water, I don't want to find myself IN the water. I don't float that good, and I can't breathe it.

 

[Boss Lady]

Some people think we are boat snobs, I so no, just enlightened.