Extended Deck Scupper drain hose replacement

[JonHupp]

Hi. I have a 53ED (emphasis on 'Extended Deck' for this discussion). Aft of the salon there is a little deck, which has scupper drains in each aft corner. There is a corregated (vacume cleaner style) hose that connects the deck drain to scupper opening, just below the swim platform and just above the water line.

Anyway, this 34 year old hose has broken, so this water ends up near my rudder post and then has to track all its way forward the port engine room to eventually get to the port bilge pump (after partially filling lots of other bilge cavities on its journey).

Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to replace this hose. The drain fitting on the deck has some threads but looks pretty integrated into the decking. Photo:



There don't seem to be any access panels in the master stateroom and I really don't want to start ripping up cabntry or removing (and breaking) mirrors unless I must.

Thanks.

Jon

 

[dottieshusband]

Been there, done that. In the master stateroom, you'll notice above the cabinetry in the aft corners, a rounding Aframosa panel, if you remove that panel, you'll see part of the hose. Unfortunately, you'll also have to remove the aft curtain valence, then a section of the afomosa ceiling panel. That will expose the bottom of the scupper drain, and more hose. Then remove all the drawers in the aft section of cabinetry, and you'll see the hose as it exits and connects to the hose barb in the stern for the drain. Having long arms, and being thin really helps....unfortunately I am not.

 

[JonHupp]

One other thought I had, as a vascular surgeon, would be to just use a slightly smaller hose (OD of new hose slightly smaller than ID of current hose) and just seal it up well at the top and bottom. This is sort of like a covered stent, only cheaper. I once had a patient who was some sort of civil engineer and he said they do it with broken pipes all the time.

Is this a really dumb idea? It is only a drain line (no pressure). I did, though, have a recent occasion when the boat was very stern heavy with people and fresh water and the drain outlet was at the water line and let some sea water in, which was very concerning.

 

[SeaEric]

If you can find the crack in the hose it can be (temporrily) mended by wrapping with silicone rescue tape.

 

[JonHupp]

I can see the crack as it is just at the bend near the rudder post. Rescue tape is in place but I fear the whole thing will crumble in short order

 

[krush]

Find the goofy kid with long arms and throw him a benji!

 

[jim rosenthal]

If you don't want to take all that cabinetry out, why not try the endovascular graft idea? Except it might be better to thread it up from the bottom rather than run it down from the top- or if you run it down from the top, start with more than you need in length and glue it into place once you are satisfied that the whole length of it is sleeved from the inside.

It might drain a bit slower, but that's better than having the water go into the bilge as it currently does.

 

[bobk]

If you don't want to take all that cabinetry out, why not try the endovascular graft idea? Except it might be better to thread it up from the bottom rather than run it down from the top- or if you run it down from the top, start with more than you need in length and glue it into place once you are satisfied that the whole length of it is sleeved from the inside.

It might drain a bit slower, but that's better than having the water go into the bilge as it currently does.

Another consideration... if you try Jim's graft, where will the excess water go during a heavy rain?

Bob

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I own a 53ED and have been aboard a few others, probably 3 or 4 more and have never seen one with those drains. All others have had a little tube out the side of the boat forward up by the salon bulkhead and a break in the toe rail to the rear for water to exit. What is your hull #? I'm thinking someone added these drains at some point.

Okay, I see you have a 1983. Yours must be one of the very first 53ED's ever built. I'll bet they modified the deck mold soon after yours.

Here is what I would do. In the little cabinet next to the master bed, above the night stands, is a panel then can be removed. Look in there and you will see the screws holding it in. I've had mine out before to run some wires to some rope lights in the aft valance area.. Once you get that out, you will have access to the bottom of that drain. You should be able to replace the entire hose with access there, under the night stand by the rudder posts and under the bed.

 

[dottieshusband]

The 63 has both the little copper drain line, and the deck drain to the vinyl spiral drain hose. The only cabinetry to remove are the drawers, and pop out panels. There are a few screws holding the corner cover panel. The ceiling panel removal gives access to the hose barb at the bottom of the drain. Threading a smaller diameter hose down through the drain sounds like a great idea, but looking how the spiral hose is made, I suspect the insert hose would catch on the ridges, but worth a try! Seal the top with silicone caulk. Good luck!

 

[kelpy]

Do it right the first time and replace the hose. Do the other side at the same time and be done with it.

 

[scottinsydney]

Can you still obtain this old grey hose, or is it better to use a newer style spiral hose? The old grey hose seems to have a screw on fitting at each end and which goes over the hose tail. I have several of these old grey houses in my boat and they are all becoming hard and inflexible.

 

[JonHupp]

I own a 53ED and have been aboard a few others, probably 3 or 4 more and have never seen one with those drains. All others have had a little tube out the side of the boat forward up by the salon bulkhead and a break in the toe rail to the rear for water to exit. What is your hull #? I'm thinking someone added these drains at some point.

Okay, I see you have a 1983. Yours must be one of the very first 53ED's ever built. I'll bet they modified the deck mold soon after yours.

Here is what I would do. In the little cabinet next to the master bed, above the night stands, is a panel then can be removed. Look in there and you will see the screws holding it in. I've had mine out before to run some wires to some rope lights in the aft valance area.. Once you get that out, you will have access to the bottom of that drain. You should be able to replace the entire hose with access there, under the night stand by the rudder posts and under the bed.

My Hull ID is HATCN704M831 and, as you point out, 1983 was the first year for the ED version. I'll probably try and replace the hose(s) 'correctly' but I can already show you the scrapes on my arms from rescue taping the hose the other day...

 

[SKYCHENEY]

My Hull ID is HATCN704M831 and, as you point out, 1983 was the first year for the ED version. I'll probably try and replace the hose(s) 'correctly' but I can already show you the scrapes on my arms from rescue taping the hose the other day...

Hmmmm......#704.................I wonder if the 53ED started at 700 or 701. Mine is #759.

 

[scottinsydney]

I have about 10 of these grey ribbed hoses throughout the boat. Is it still available? Where to buy? Anything better?

 

[JonHupp]

Hmmmm......#704.................I wonder if the 53ED started at 700 or 701. Mine is #759.

Interesting that Hatteras might have removed these drains from the mold sometime between 1983 and 1985. I wish mine just drained off the side. A lot of plumbing and two extra thru-hull fittings for such a small deck that has some coverage already.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Interesting that Hatteras might have removed these drains from the mold sometime between 1983 and 1985. I wish mine just drained off the side. A lot of plumbing and two extra thru-hull fittings for such a small deck that has some coverage already.

Mine has the copper tubes out the side forward. Then there is a break in the toe rail at the rear on each side for the water to flow out the back. I do get some water pooling forward near the tubes that go out the side but not much.

 

[JonHupp]

So here is the follow-up on my aft-deck drain scupper hose issue. I do have the 4th 53ED made and I can see why they eliminated this drain in later versions.

It turns out that the drain hose from the aft-deck to the thru-hull actually had a loop in it, below the bedside cabinet, near the rudder post.


This, of course, is a horrible problem. It acts as a trap and in the winter, I'm sure it freezes and that is why the hose cracked where it did. (I certainly don't winterize my exterior drains).
I suspect a PO did this and not Hatteras. Access was no fun!

After a long struggle (my head is too big and my arms could be longer for this job), I replaced the hose properly so it will not trap water.


So now I need to make sure to do the other side some day, as it looks similar (and also has some sort of wrap on the hose, so somebody already tried to fix it).

The fun of 30+ year old boats!!!

 

[jim rosenthal]

Well, if you are anything close to my age, it's unlikely you'll have to worry about it again......

 

[kelpy]

Right on! One more item on board you should never have to worry about again.
What are all of those wire crimps on the right side of the image?