Sam's is your source for Hatteras and Cabo Yacht parts.

Enter a part description OR part number to search the Hatteras/Cabo parts catalog:

Email Sam's or call 1-800-678-9230 to order parts.

Experts ?

  • Thread starter Thread starter MikeP
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 92
  • Views Views 29,691
Thanks Jim for expressing so eloquently the 90% of how I feel. I came to this forum while searching for my boat and through it, I found recommendations for boat surveyor and was very satisfied. Using this forum helped in many ways to learn more about Hatteras, DDs and many items in general. After being on this earth for 65 years, I've learned to listen to offered advice and then do my own research or hire qualified (not expert) help when it is beyond my capabilities. I've come to appreciate the humor and banter among members who know each other and when it gets beyond that, I move on to another subject.

Thanks to all who have responded to my questions and allowed me to participate. I look forward to the shared knowledge that Hatt owners have experienced.
 
"Mike your contradicting yourself."

Yes, I know. The problem for me is that my initial feeling is that sounding like you've done something for years when you haven't seems wrong BUT...if the information you are providing is good, what difference does it really make?

I do object to passing off someone else's published info as your own. That's just plagiarism. But good info is good info, wherever it came from. If I explain Relativity correctly (no, that can't actually happen), even if I just memorize Einstein's words and recite them, it's still correct information. I should state that the word's are Einsteins, not mine, but what difference does it actually make. Sort of like the paint "expert" I referred to previously - he copied the info of the paint site; everything he said was correct. I objected highly to the method but I couldn't argue with the information.

I agree with the above as written. The problem is the information is often not correct becuase there is a big diffrence between reading something and doing it. My point is simple. If you've read about it or maybe done it one time then state that. If your information turns out to be wrong accept it instead of trying to win an argument and forward bad information. I hold the people with real world experience in high regard and hate to see them silenced by very elequint reasearch experts.
 
For every life topic, there are those that know, those that don't, and those that pretend to know. If you truly are interested in learning from those that know, you will often have to put up with some eccentricities. However, it is usually very easy to listen to those that pretend to know.

Internet forums are inherently dominated by those that pretend to know. Often these clowns are posers and plagiarizers, but much like politicians, quite great at winning the "argument". I say argument because that is all they win--the other side (the one that knows) gives up. Many people couldn't care less about being "right"...especially on the internet.

How the owners of a forum choose to address this is what creates the atmosphere. Good, bad, or ugly, this place is what it is. I've even been banned on occasion from this site for exposing truth--funny how bad apples often get positions of power in life. Folks, I've literally seen "expurts" that the less informed people place on a pedestal literally plagiarize and post that vast "knowledge" here, irrespective of the topic--coincidentally, some of these perceived gods of knowledge have been knocked down a peg or two recently. In real life (that's off the internet), these people are usually ignored. Only the internet and a keyboard gives them a voice. It's ok in the end, the internet hates posers.

It may be self-serving to say this, but in I pretty much figured out who knows and go directly to them for knowledge. Sucks to be one of those poor bastards that follows the poser...but the internet, just like real life, is a tough world.


someone_is_wrong_on_the_internet1.webp
 
I rarely post on this forum anymore, I have no interest in wasting my time arguing with the almighty keyboard warriors over compensating for living in their Mom's basement. I got tired of that in a hurry.
At this stage of a successful career, I sure as hell don't need to win an argument or garner anyone's approval to boost my self image.
Too bad, with 35 years as an Oceanographic Engineer, I have a lot of technical info I could share.
 
Well said Jim. What I find irritating, people will post facts and specifications and yet some will still argue that they are the only one that is right. The problem this creates is the unknowing can not differentiate between the two. The thread about inverters which started this thread, is a fairly complicated technical issue. If someone wants to state their opion, fine say it's your opinion, if you a quoting fact say so, adding a link to your source will help.

I am of the opinion as are too many other people, that correcting mis information on this forum is a waste of time, I find myself again, sorry I tried to help.
 
I rarely post on this forum anymore, I have no interest in wasting my time arguing with the almighty keyboard warriors over compensating for living in their Mom's basement. I got tired of that in a hurry.
At this stage of a successful career, I sure as hell don't need to win an argument or garner anyone's approval to boost my self image.
Too bad, with 35 years as an Oceanographic Engineer, I have a lot of technical info I could share.



That's what I'm talking about. There used to be guys on here doing big projects and posting almost daily progress reports. They may not have been in the business but they had a technical background well above the average owner. There used to be some in other marine related businesses that brought a whole different prospective to the table. It's still a great forum with a wealth of good information it's just a shame to lose these guys to the Internet warriors and a power drunk moderator of the past.
 
I make no pretensions as to being in the marine trades. I am strictly an amateur at any boat work I do, and often I don't know whether I did it well until I see how it holds up over time. My current painting project is a case in point- I will really know how well I did as I see how it endures. It all looks shiny when you put it on. (Of course, with an inverter, if it catches fire as soon as you start it up, I guess that tells you something.)

We should represent ourselves honestly; people who are doing research and presenting it as their own original work are not being truthful. People who are speaking from experience ought to say so, but they ought to quantify their experience in some way as well. For example, I am in the midst of my first Awlgrip job. I am figuring out how much of an authority I am on this, and let me tell you, it ain't much of one at all. If anything, I feel more ignorant as I go along. No one should take advice from me on how to apply Awlgrip, unless they want to know how NOT to do it. On the other hand, I've been asked questions in the past about medical concerns, first aid, etc, and I would fairly hold myself as knowledgeable enough to answer those questions. I do not pretend than any opinion I hold is the final answer to anything.

We need to concentrate- and everyone here is entirely capable of this- on making decent manners a first goal of this forum. This is not enforceable and can't be mandated. It has to be an effort by the group, as a group, to consciously try to keep postings on topic, avoid personal attacks, and to speak honestly and fairly. No amount of policing by Doug, Karl, or myself can ever achieve this. It has to be something we all want, and it can only be achieved by example.

What I hope is this: if we can improve the tone of discussion here, we can possibly attract more people and more expertise onto this forum. I hope we will all see the need for this. As I said, and others have corroborated, we've lost participants whose experience and opinions were valuable because they were ill-treated here. It's time that we made this forum a place that attracts the owners of Hatteras Yachts, not one that discourages them.
 
This has to be one of the best threads I've read here in a long time. It's good to hear so many recognizing the loss of great members and the damage done by mistreating them. Seems we all agree that it's important to qualify the advice given. Most of us know who the true experts are and value their input. I know I regularly call or email those I know that are more experienced than I am. I do most of the work on my boat myself or with the help of a friend but I don't have any where near the experience as some of the guys who do this for a living. For that reason I tend to sit back and read more than post a how to reply unless it's something I've done enough and truly know about. I hope this thread is well read and taken seriously. Maybe if we're lucky some of the members like LuckyDave will come back and contribute. There are plenty that are missed and out of respect I won't mention any names.
 
Jim

You are 100% right... Unfortunately some take any discussion personally as soon as you dare having a different opinion, often resorting to name calling and personal attacks.

We can all learn from discussing the various options to address a problem or question. Looking back on the inverter thread there was a lot of good info in there, too bad the tone of the discussion degenerated.
 
There is no doubt you got slammed first but from that point forward you made a choice to continue the argument and help degenerate the tone. To anyone reading it was obvious that you became more interested in winning the argument than contributing to the thread.
 
But is did stay in a holiday inn express last night.
 
I don't recall anyone saying anybody was wrong. The entire point was there are other solutions, following the manufacturers recommendations is certainly not wrong. Insisting that it is, and statements like I'll do it the manufactures no matter what, only serves to expose your lack of knowledge. Perhaps if one reads the post, and check out all the information presented before disagreeing, you might even learn something.
 
Thanks Jim for expressing so eloquently the 90% of how I feel. I came to this forum while searching for my boat and through it, I found recommendations for boat surveyor and was very satisfied. Using this forum helped in many ways to learn more about Hatteras, DDs and many items in general. After being on this earth for 65 years, I've learned to listen to offered advice and then do my own research or hire qualified (not expert) help when it is beyond my capabilities. I've come to appreciate the humor and banter among members who know each other and when it gets beyond that, I move on to another subject.

Thanks to all who have responded to my questions and allowed me to participate. I look forward to the shared knowledge that Hatt owners have experienced.

I'll second this. Exactly the right attitude.

I have to say I don't miss some of "The Departed" who seemed to see their volume of contribution as a license to act like 8th grade prima donnas. Their pollution fogged over the value, the Terrell Owens syndrome if you will. Some traces emerge here now and then, but easily passed over for now.
 
Okay, I can't stand it anymore. You're all wrong, and I'm an expurt at being wrong!
 
I can understand completely why a moderator wants absoloute civility. He has to try to maintain that delicate balance between what's acceptable and what's not. When you consider all the different personalities involved that can't be easy.

I don't understand why a member would take civility over content when you can choose what you read and what you ignore. It's not like you have profanity or some one insulting someone else's mother. You have the typical junk that comes out in an argument. I have to wonder if these folks are really that sensitive or is it a thinly valed attempt to control others?
 
You spelled veiled wrong.
 
You shud be permantly baned baned 4 being so rood
 
You spelled veiled wrong.

What ever happened to 'spell check'? I tried to use it once, but maybe I need to become more expert:rolleyes:

Bobk
 
Jest tryin to hep.
 
What ever happened to 'spell check'? I tried to use it once, but maybe I need to become more expert:rolleyes:

Bobk
Whatever is one word. Even spell chuck won't help with that.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
38,156
Messages
448,741
Members
12,482
Latest member
UnaVida

Latest Posts

Trending content

Back
Top Bottom