Engine removal

[oscarvan]

It was pointed out to me that there are a few threads with copious pictures documenting the removal of the "lumps" (engines) out of a MY..... (can't remember size) ie up into the salon and out the back door.....

Can anyone please point me in the right direction?

 

[saltshaker]

Which boat and engines?

 

[Dan Mapes]

I'd love to see this done on a 1985 43MY. I am thinking a fork lift with some reaaallllyyy long tines would be required.

 

[sgharford]

I remember seeing a 1970's 43MY for sale that had new yanmars. It has 2 big skylights (they were to big to call hatches) installed in the main saloon. They must have cut holes in deck to remove the old engines and instead of putting cut out section of deck back they put in skylights. It actually looked very nice, at least in the pictures. Must of been one hek of a solar heat gain though.

 

[MadHatter53]

http://youtu.be/EqQPlavvD5I

 

[oscarvan]

Wow.......wow.......WOW!!!!! Thank you!

 

[Victor_Chat]

Awesome, that was a nice job, wonder how much that cost?

 

[SEVEN]

I was thinking the same. How much? What a beautiful job. 25 knots, that's moving for 53.

 

[MadHatter53]

I think the motors were $38k each then you have shafts,props, struts etc. I'm thinking it was a $150k repower.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Awesome, that was a nice job, wonder how much that cost?

The owner of that 53 owned the yard. He repowered the boat then had it for sale for years. It finally sold this year for less than what he paid for the whole boat in 2004 before the repower.

 

[Walter P]

As often stated on this forum.. A complete repower only makes sense if you plan to keep the boat a long time. Whatever the cost, plan on not recovering most of it at the time of sale. That being said, if I was about 20 or 25 years younger (I'm an old guy, but not as old as BobK lol) I'm pretty sure that I would spend the bucks to completely redo my old girl...I mean the boat. New engines, new electrics, complete new interior including layout and wood work, paint and so on. On an older 48MY like mine it would take probably 2 or 3 times or more, the value of the boat as is. Why consider doing it then....think about what a great boat you would have compared to a brand new almost anything out there. I truly feel very lucky to have lived through what I consider the best of times for boating and having owned four Hatteras boats along the way.

Walt

 

[oscarvan]

As often stated on this forum.. A complete repower only makes sense if you plan to keep the boat a long time. Whatever the cost, plan on not recovering most of it at the time of sale. That being said, if I was about 20 or 25 years younger (I'm an old guy, but not as old as BobK lol) I'm pretty sure that I would spend the bucks to completely redo my old girl...I mean the boat. New engines, new electrics, complete new interior including layout and wood work, paint and so on. On an older 48MY like mine it would take probably 2 or 3 times or more, the value of the boat as is. Why consider doing it then....think about what a great boat you would have compared to a brand new almost anything out there. I truly feel very lucky to have lived through what I consider the best of times for boating and having owned four Hatteras boats along the way.

Walt

Think of it as building a new boat from scratch, but getting to skip the hull design and sliding right into a genius and near bullet proof shell as a canvas to work with.

Wish I was in a position to do it. Unfortunately I don't have a bottomless checkbook. Have enough to get one of these grand ol' ladies, and all the tools (litterally) to give her a few more years..... Now to find the right one....

 

[Pascal]

The problem with most repower is that not much else is done to the boat beyond carpets, new countertops and appliances so in the end you still have a 50 year old interior design layout. You have new engines but still have a boat that many prospective buyers will scratch off the list because of the galley down, small staterooms and heads. This doesn't do resale value any good.

So if you're going to drop $100k on a repower, you d better be ready to spend probalby just as much upgrading the rest of the boat and bring Hargave design to where it would have evolved.

I just moved the galley up and aft on my 53 and absolutely love it especially now that we ve had our first cold front of the season and I ve been able to turn off the AC. Having the galley right by the aft deck is even better than I expected. Just Making coffee in the morning only one foot step from the aft deck with a great view was worth the trouble.

Another option is to move the galley where the dinette is (except the fridge) and build a forward head where the galley was. Leave the fridge on that side to have more countertops in the galley. This allows you enlarge the forward staterrom and put a centerline full bed. And open up the stairs opening like I did along with the space under the helm (above lower companionway) so the galley while down is no longer an isolated cave.

There are many options to upgrade these boats if you look outside the box. And can all be done over the course of a northern winter while the boats are sitting anyway

 

[oscarvan]

I've been going back and forth on the galley up/down thing.

On the one hand I am the Captain, deck hand, engineer, chef and bottle washer, so being able to stand watch and cook at the same time is nice.

That said, I do a lot more of both at the same time on a sailboat doing 5 knots than I do on a "yacht" doing 10 or 12 knots. Things happen faster, and you really need to be in the seat watching it.....

When not running it is nice to be able to cook and entertain with the guests right there, on the other hand, having the salon be larger, airier and free of a cluttered galley is more aesthetically pleasing.....

Especially on these boats, with an intimate dinette right there in the galley, the cook can entertain his closest friends (pass the JD) "down there" whilst the ladies chat in the salon......

Pro's and cons.

Just like the sleeping arrangements. A child with friend would be perfect in the up down or VIP with separate beds. A visiting couple would probably be more comfortable with a double....

When (I know I should say "if") we get our 53 I plan on leaving the forward cabin the way it is, and creating a filler piece for the VIP, so it can be used as two singles or a double.....

 

[SKYCHENEY]

We love the large salon on the 53ED and the galley down. To each his own. You can't always assume everyone shares your views. If they did, you wouldn't see so many Sea Rays.

 

[bobk]

We love the large salon on the 53ED and the galley down. To each his own. You can't always assume everyone shares your views. If they did, you wouldn't see so many Sea Rays.

Amen, amen. My late wife would not own a galley up. My new admiral probably leans toward galley up but at our ages, the 48MY we have will be the last one.

Bobk

 

[oscarvan]

You can't always assume everyone shares your views. If they did, you wouldn't see so many Sea Rays.

In fact I think that proves that MOST people don't share my views.....

 

[Pascal]

I absolutely agree. Some don't mind the galley down. Every owner is different obviously but the design trend is galley up

 

[oscarvan]

I absolutely agree. Some don't mind the galley down. Every owner is different obviously but the design trend is galley up

Well, I don't want the crew mingling with the guests, downstairs they go......... (that was a joke).

 

[jrbrein]

Hello, I am new to this Owners Forum and my question regards the longevity of these DD engines?
I understand that this maybe to general of a question but more specifically for a motor yacht or yacht fisherman from 53' to 58'. The engine sizes I have been seeing are the 6-71 naturals and TI's and the 8V92TI's.
I am assuming just for the sake of argument that the prior owners have performed the required maintenance.
I seem to see a lot of Grand Banks 46 - 49's with Cat 3208 TI's all with around 3000 hours now for sale.

Jonathan