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efficient repower alternatives

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Hydraulic drive wouldn't make much sense for continuous use. It's not very efficient. Electric would be better, but then u got $$$$. However, some cheap used AC induction motors and a nice VFD setup could be redneck rigged....
 
Hey Krush how does an allison or a TD work?

Arent they hydraulic?
 
Hello Im in the middle of a repower like md wanted info on I started looking into this when I read Voyaging Under Power by Robert Bebe Im repowering a 53 SF with 250 hp Perkins w/4 to 1 trans my plan was to burn 6 gal a hour not 60 gals.The 53 feet times 1.35 should give 7 knots on min power. There was a system on the market called All Geared UP that ran two trans and shafts on one engine Goggle it its quite depenable.But i like the twin for ease of repowering may look at single later on as it would fit using one of each engines inside stringers above the center tank and it powers the props through left and right trans. One problem to over come is the low ballast of the engines the 10k of the DD will be missed and will have to carry lots of fuel to make up for the 7k difference in weight.Im doing the project my self as I like doing this kind of stuff and I love boats and I really love Hatt's.Its a total refit new gen AC's new fiberglass hard top and all new 12volt wiring and new plumbing and of course cutting the old balsa out of the port side of the bow that rotted thanks to the chain locker and did I tell you about the new paint AwlGrip snow white above rails and Ice Blue hull.Its my last boat and I dont care about resale .Also Im adding a 100 gal day tank that all diesel from main tanks will be cleaned by large Racors as it enters Day tank.It may take me a few more days to get to the Bahamas but who cares I will be running at perfect trolling speed and Ill come home on the same diesel that I left home on carring 1200 gals.
dhshore let me know if you want to talk more .Bob
 
btw - Im referring to a 43 DC everyone..
 
Its been done and can be done again. I saw the Porsche at Mastrys house a year or two ago. cool boat for sure
 
hello im in the middle of a repower like md wanted info on i started looking into this when i read voyaging under power by robert bebe im repowering a 53 sf with 250 hp perkins w/4 to 1 trans my plan was to burn 6 gal a hour not 60 gals.the 53 feet times 1.35 should give 7 knots on min power. There was a system on the market called all geared up that ran two trans and shafts on one engine goggle it its quite depenable.but i like the twin for ease of repowering may look at single later on as it would fit using one of each engines inside stringers above the center tank and it powers the props through left and right trans. One problem to over come is the low ballast of the engines the 10k of the dd will be missed and will have to carry lots of fuel to make up for the 7k difference in weight.im doing the project my self as i like doing this kind of stuff and i love boats and i really love hatt's.its a total refit new gen ac's new fiberglass hard top and all new 12volt wiring and new plumbing and of course cutting the old balsa out of the port side of the bow that rotted thanks to the chain locker and did i tell you about the new paint awlgrip snow white above rails and ice blue hull.its my last boat and i dont care about resale .also im adding a 100 gal day tank that all diesel from main tanks will be cleaned by large racors as it enters day tank.it may take me a few more days to get to the bahamas but who cares i will be running at perfect trolling speed and ill come home on the same diesel that i left home on carring 1200 gals.
Dhshore let me know if you want to talk more .bob


sounds like a plan !
 
Hey Krush how does an allison or a TD work?

Arent they hydraulic?

The hydraulics are used to engage the clutch, making a solid connection between the engine flywheel ad the shaft... VERY Different from using hydraulics to transmit power, as in a thruster or get home wing engine
 
She'll have a real interesting list too! Kind of like running a blow boat which might be a better idea.
Why would she list at all with a centerline single? She'd sit a little higher, but that would be it.

Pascal, the tanks are centerline on the TC. Not sure if you could sit one of the 1271's on top of the forward one or not, but with 400 usable gallons in the aft tank, the forward tank could be eliminated while still allowing a range of over 500 miles at 9 knots, maybe more. Like I said, probably not feasible from a cost standpoint, but still an interesting idea.
 
I have been reading with great interest and my question is this. If it is a 43 with the 903's it seem to me that unless there is a hole in the block an in-frame doing only what is necessary would be the most cost effective way to put the boat back in service.

I have learned the hard way in cars,boats and airplanes that when you make it yours (modify to fit your needs and wants) that is exactly what you get. something that is next to impossible to sell.

Make it run and drive it until it drops (again).:cool:
 
I would start with well engineered power plants for this refit, then adapt from there. There's no sense trying to reinvent the wheel.
I'm thinking 40 hp Honda outboards in Douglas Fir brackets lag bolted to the stringers, with belt drives mating the Honda prop shafts to the original boat shafting. There are plenty of serpentine air conditioning belts in the automotive world that are long enough to reach. Honda already sells finely engineered engine controls, just streeeetch the cables enough to reach the bridge.
The cooling system is easy. Run garden hoses from the thru hulls to traditional clamshell outboard flushing muffs securely hose clamped to the lower units, and mount the engines high enough that the cooling water can drain out through an above-the-water-line sink drain connected to buckets under each engine.
The only issue would be epoxy coating the fiberglass tanks to resist ethanol, but that's no big deal.

(and name her M/V Frankenstien ;))
 
Nice Dave! That would really lighten her up!
 
Nice Dave! That would really lighten her up!

Exactly. Using conversion tables developed by the Ouija corporation I project 36 knots @ 6gph.
 
Exactly. Using conversion tables developed by the Ouija corporation I project 36 knots @ 6gph.
That's only 6NMPG! My SUV gets 20MPG at 70MPH, surely we can do better only running 36kts!
 
All kidding aside, It's obvious that the original poster views this boat as a disposable good. Since he's getting it almost free, why not just take it, use it til it dies, and toss it? If the 903's are beyond reasonable repair or to the point of a major costing more than a repower to smaller more efficient engines, then do it. If you have low cost access to good power then repower the boat but keep it a twin screw setup. I doubt you'll gain much in efficiency running at hull speed but you will have a roomier serviceable ER. Rebuilding the 903's won't be cheap so in this case the repower would make sense given the intended use of the owner. Yes it will be next to impossible to sell but he's already stated that that isn't an issue for him. Besides if he can get a set of engines and all materials needed for the repower for say 12K-15K, that's a whole lot less than the price to major the 903's. In the end if he does decide to sell the boat, he'd probably loose more money if he spent the cash to major the engines as opposed to the repower and giving the boat away. I guess the question that needs to be answered is what would it cost for him to rebuild the 903's? If he can DIY them for similar or less than the repower to small engines, then he should rebuild them and keep the boat as she was built. This way he'll have similar running cost at hull speed but the ability to run faster if needed.
 
Quad GoDevils is where it is at!

 
How about 2 electric motors and a big generator? Just like a locomotive. Call in Nigel Calder as a consultant.

I looked into this a couple of years ago when I first became interested in the 58YF's. A company out of Texas called F.A.S.T. had a test cruiser in the 40 foot range running a small diesel feeding a battery bank and in inverter system that provided the juice for two electric motors. The fuel efficiency uptick was about 20% and the docking advantages were greatly improved with the ability to turn props at any low speed desired. Siemens is also very much in the marine hybrid market with pleasure boat set ups all the way up to military rigs. I contacted an engineer at Mack/Volvo in Greensboro a few years back as to why the road big rigs did not consider something like this as it would eliminate transmissions and reduce brake wear due to the back eddy current at hand. He indicated that they had been considering something like this but hunch was they were looking at converting their current setups to natural gas. As for the YF setup my thought was a new fuel sipping diesel feeding the twin electric motors with a second generator for the house balancing the weight in the twin engine rooms. I think the cost would be as much as a total repower but the long range fuel costs improvement might be worth a second look.
 
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There is increasing chatter about Diesel electric and hybrid yacht propulsion in the mid range.

Clearly diesel-electric has been around in the large oceangoing market and the pure electric small craft market forever. Elco built the launches for the Chicago Columbia Exposition world fair with electric power over 100 years ago.

Bering Yachts in North Carolina has an interesting model they are offering in a LRC/Trawler and Elco already has a 7000 series out that is priced at $16k a motor.

http://www.beringyachts.com/hybrid.php

http://www.elcomotoryachts.com/quote-request.shtml

http://www.uqm.com/

Just a matter of time before someone retrofits one of these old Hats... cant wait for that thread.
 
some of my past work..

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before /after previous rotten transom with twin i/o ..


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