Crewed Hatteras

[Pascal]

I'm talking about guys that cross oceans. A 100ton masterbaiter license may not even qualify for able body (AB) as a second set of eyes up on a real boat, and isn't even close to a 3rd Mate license. https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/checklists/mcp_fm_nmc5_53_web.pdf

Define a real boat ? Who cares about an ocean crossing commercial vessel, that s not what we re talking about here.

 

[krush]

Define a real boat ? Who cares about an ocean crossing commercial vessel, that s not what we re talking about here.

The original poster was asking for possible help from "young mate that needs hours". Anybody that "needs hours" is likely on a completely different trajectory with their career to work on a real boat that crosses oceans and pays $500 a day to unlicensed workers. Real captains won't even roll out of bed for $1000 cash + benefits, neither will the chief mate.

 

[rsmith]

The problem with the licensing today is the self certification BS. They take some crash course then self certify in their buddy’s 18’ bowrider now they’re a Master ship captain. Even recommendations need to be taken with a grain of salt because most people don’t want to give a bad recommendation because of retaliation or being sued for slander.

 

[Avenger]

Ha, In a Hoover?

War Hoover.

They do have ejection seats. I can't find an isolated video, but there's a demo video here at 5:40:

https://youtu.be/cmkv-gsqvlo

 

[52CMY]

I was going to guess as a passenger in an S-3 Viking.

I was going to guess as a Tomcat backseat SWO VIP rider that didn't get properly briefed on what to do, and more importantly WHAT NOT TO DO(!), during the standard Negative-G FOD check portion of the of the Fence IN checks. So he grabbed the most logical handhold handle conveniently located between his legs while inverted and tried to pull himself back down into the seat...instead the seat FIRED and he departed the aircraft while in a very uncomfortable and hazardous position.

Am I close? If I am, I'm sincerely glad it worked out OK!

 

[Pascal]

The original poster was asking for possible help from "young mate that needs hours". Anybody that "needs hours" is likely on a completely different trajectory with their career to work on a real boat that crosses oceans and pays $500 a day to unlicensed workers. Real captains won't even roll out of bed for $1000 cash + benefits, neither will the chief mate.

You obviously don’t know much about the world of crewed small boat and yachts. There are thousands of mates, deckhands who want to get their licenses and are building sea time and experience. They have zero interest in working on any commercial vessels or ocean crossing tubs. Some love fishing and want to run their own fishing charters one day, others just like being on the water.

Same on the non fishing side, yachts. For most, it s not about the money it’s about enjoying the work and the life. I guess it varies but personally doing this for a living hasn’t affected our enjoyment of our personal boats. And the perks of the jobs aren’t bad… we and our crew often get to enjoy a fully provisioned 116 footer for days at a time in the Bahamas between charters or owners trips while getting paid. A non real boat something that costs our charter guests about $10k a day .

I ll stick to the non real boat.

 

[Eddieclemons]

My comment about the negative aspects of chartering was geared toward the owner possibly ruining his love for boating. Running someone else's 110 on their dime and getting paid is a win win in my mind. Enjoy, Pascal.

 

[Eddieclemons]

My comment about the negative aspects of chartering was geared toward the owner possibly ruining his love for boating. Running someone else's 110 on their dime and getting paid is a win win in my mind. Enjoy, Pascal.

Actually a 116'. Edits don't work on my Android.

 

[Pascal]

Actually a 116'. Edits don't work on my Android.

Lol… it’s a 110 hull plus swim platform . So both are correct …

If droids are like iPhones, you have to tap the edit button a second time to be able to edit

If you don’t do any overnight charters on your own boat, I think it can work. You just lock up the master and VIP and use the forward for guests to change. But not with the ghetto Sofl clientele

 

[krush]

You obviously don’t know much about the world of crewed small boat and yachts. There are thousands of mates, deckhands who want to get their licenses and are building sea time and experience. They have zero interest in working on any commercial vessels or ocean crossing tubs............

Same on the non fishing side, yachts. For most, it s not about the money it’s about enjoying the work and the life. I guess it varies but personally doing this for a living hasn’t affected our enjoyment of our personal boats. And the perks of the jobs aren’t bad… we and our crew often get to enjoy a fully provisioned 116 footer for days at a time in the Bahamas between charters or owners trips while getting paid. A non real boat something that costs our charter guests about $10k a day .

I ll stick to the non real boat.

I know quite a bit about the yacht world. Most guys that work on the big boys could go work yachts tomorrow, but few would want to work 3-4x as many days a year for 50% or lower the pay. But yachts are great for people that want to live aboard and don't have a home or family. It's great for 20 something single dudes!

There is a huge difference in a 100Ton NC license and a real oceans license. It's laughable that the 100t is even called a "master's" license. It's similar to saying a single engine commercial pilot is same deal as an ATP with a 777 type rating and 3000hrs PIC.

 

[Freeebird]

I know quite a bit about the yacht world. Most guys that work on the big boys could go work yachts tomorrow, but few would want to work 3-4x as many days a year for 50% or lower the pay. But yachts are great for people that want to live aboard and don't have a home or family. It's great for 20 something single dudes!

There is a huge difference in a 100Ton NC license and a real oceans license. It's laughable that the 100t is even called a "master's" license. It's similar to saying a single engine commercial pilot is same deal as an ATP with a 777 type rating and 3000hrs PIC.

Who gives a flying fornication about someone piloting a crewed SHIP in a straight line across an ocean when it comes to operating private yachts being ferried up and down the coast, up and down rivers and back and forth to islands?

It’s not just about the money. Now excuse me while I zip back up.

 

[Bugsy]

I know quite a bit about the yacht world. Most guys that work on the big boys could go work yachts tomorrow, but few would want to work 3-4x as many days a year for 50% or lower the pay. But yachts are great for people that want to live aboard and don't have a home or family. It's great for 20 something single dudes!

There is a huge difference in a 100Ton NC license and a real oceans license. It's laughable that the 100t is even called a "master's" license. It's similar to saying a single engine commercial pilot is same deal as an ATP with a 777 type rating and 3000hrs PIC.

It's an ATP for either licensed pilot and there are a LOT of pilots on small twin engine regional jets in whom I'd place a lot more trust that an older, tired ( but senior) guy in the left seat of a wide-body! And, more on point, over the years, I've met a few mega-yacht captains and quite a few crew members. The $500/ day reference was obviously hyperbole. Pascal is "in the business" and clearly knows whereof he speaks even if he's "only" (lol) on a 110 footer!!

 

[krush]

https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/current-hiring-in-us-gom/64298/113

Ballpark figures. Most everyone is paying ABs and QMEDs with all the stcw bells and whistles anywhere from mid 300s to low 400s a day. 100 ton-200 ton captains can find low 300s to mid 400s depending on experience.

3rd/2nd mates anywhere from low 500s to high 600s depending on experience w/dp

3rd/2nd engineers anywhere from low 500s to high 700s depending on experience

Chief Mates/1st assistants low 800s to mid 900s

Master/Cheng 900-1000+.

This is based on who I know and talk to. I’m sure mileage will vary but this is a good ballpark of ranges.

Edit: I’ll also add that a company running a smaller fleet with older vessels working the shelf most likely isn’t paying these wages. I’m referring to companies with the bigger and newer equipment working deep water.

schedules:Most common ones are 28/14 and 28/28. There’s also some 14/14, 21/21, 42/21. Varies on the company and client requirements.

This is gulf of mexico wages.

 

[Pascal]

Again completely irrelevant and shows how little you know about yachts.

Like all yacht captains or crew, I have zero interest in working on commercial vessels in the gulf irregardless of money. I do what I do primarily because I enjoy it and for the perks like having around with great people, in beautiful areas. Have you even been to the exumas? Saying it beats the gulf coast is an understatement. Then between charters or owners trips we get to enjoy a fully provisioned boats in great places. Our guests pay almost $10k a day for this ….

 

[krush]

Again completely irrelevant and shows how little you know about yachts.

Like all yacht captains or crew, I have zero interest in working on commercial vessels in the gulf irregardless of money. I do what I do ......................….

The numbers I posted are irrelevant in respect to what? I think they are relevant to the discussion in the thread, as they show the going rate for mariners in various positions in a section of the industry.

Not everything in this world is about you or your interest....so maybe the numbers are irrelevant to you, but others that read this thread may find them useful. And I don't really see anybody asking anyone in this thread why they "do what [you] do". And maybe some yacht captains would like to make 1200+ a day with a pension and benefits and work 6months or less a year?

 

[Pascal]

Once again this is not a thread about how to make money…. It s about crew costs for a Hatteras.

 

[BJones]

Might want to visit Dockwalk (https://www.dockwalk.com/) which is a sire for Yacht crew and owners. They do a salary survey every year and it is publicly available. The survey is broken down by job(Captain,Engineer, Stew, chef, etc) and by the size of the boat. I believe owners and agencies also have input so it is considered pretty accurate.