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Change the coolant once a year???

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Seems I picked this up on an earlier thread. While I have never considered this ("once a year"), it may be good advice. Was wondering what other (panelist) think about peroiodic coolant flush and renewal. (I want to get the most out of my CATs).

(Responses please stick to the #$&* thread - dang it!!!) :mad:

Capt'n Bill
 
Get some dip strips for YOUR coolant formulation.

If they say its ok, then it is - but I'd change every TWO years anyway.

If they show the inhibitor level low, either pack it up with some more inhibitor or drain, flush and refill.

Check every three months or on oil change intervals, which ever is less.
 
I was thinking the same question. My engines are nearing 3 years old since new and the coolant level in the tank hasn't budged. How does the coolant "wear out" if not one drop of water has been added since new?
 
The coolant will get low on inhibitors. I just checked mine and I had to add two pints to each engine of inhibitor. I forgot to check it with the strips all season. If you have wet liner engines and you let it get to low on inhibitors, the little bubbles that form on the surface of your liners will actually take bits of metal with them as they come off of there. It is a serious thing. Don't overlook this.
 
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If you change antifreeze every 2 years, I would think you could forgo the test strips. No? Especially if it is a phosphate/silicate free extended life formula. Wally world has DexCool which should be OK.
 
I don't know.....I changed mine every two years and one of the thermostats stuck anyway. I would change it at least every two years, I think. And I used distilled water for the mix when I filled it back up. The coolant doesn't "wear out" but the rust inhibitors fade, and it gets contaminated over time.
 
Thanks guys, I'll change mine next week, probably for less than one "boat buck" :D
 
Passages said:
If you change antifreeze every 2 years, I would think you could forgo the test strips. No? Especially if it is a phosphate/silicate free extended life formula. Wally world has DexCool which should be OK.
No.

You need a DIESEL coolant. The inhibitors are not only for corrosion - they are also for cavitation protection. This is especially important on 92s.
 
Genesis said:
Get some dip strips for YOUR coolant formulation.
If they say its ok, then it is - but I'd change every TWO years anyway.
If they show the inhibitor level low, either pack it up with some more inhibitor or drain, flush and refill.
Check every three months or on oil change intervals, which ever is less.

Ok. You knew this would come up next:

Short of flushing it down the toilet, where and how do any of you guys properly dispose of old coolant. Should mention that when I had a truck equip. shop we kept an old oil drum filled with wood chips and a few air holes. Worked great for disposing of left over paints - the chips would soak it all up and dry it out. But now those days are gone. :o

Capt'n Bill

"Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter."
Mark Twain
 
In Conecticut, most marinas and town dumps will have a waste tank for used oil and another one for used AF. A service station may also take it for a couple bucks.
 
AF is a recyclable material - many states have laws requiring shops that do work to take it from the public, sometimes free and sometimes for a small fee.

Don't let them play with you on this - they get PAID for the used AF, so its not like they're doing you a favor - you're doing THEM one!
 
I had my AF changed and I opted for Cat's brand name permanent red AF that is not mixed with water. It's almost the color of iodine and is supposed to be long lasting. I can't recall the exact replacement timetable, the Cat dealer should be able to provide such information. Up here in good ol Buffalo you need to be safe to -20. Ouch. It was nice getting 2 feet of wet cement like snow a week ago. I had put my boat away the day before, just made it.

Tony D
 
Be vvvveeerrrrryyyy careful with that Cat permanent stuff (or the same deal from any other company - Cat's isn't anything special really, there are several "permanent" brands out there.)

It has two problems and one serious annoyance:

1. The additives deplete just like any other AF. You need to watch the inhibitor levels just like you do for any other product, AND you need to use the SPECIFIC test kit for that product. None other will work as the chemistry is totally different from the "traditional" nitrite-based stuff (it typically uses organic acids as its inhibitor, which is kinda wierd.)

2. For reasons not real well understood it tends to cause leaks where there weren't any before. Many people have had to go to all constant-torque clamps to keep it from leaking on their engines (these have springs on the winding portion, and maintain tension at all times.) If you start to see evidence of it leaking beware because this problem once it starts will require you to change ALL the clamps on ALL the hoses.

3. The annoyance - it is TOTALLY incompatable with traditional antifreeze. Period. You must make VERY sure to get ALL the old stuff out before you change to it, because when they mix they make a brown sludge that will plug up things you don't want plugged up - like water passages in the engine. Also, if some idiot ever puts traditional stuff in as a top-off, you're screwed. TAG THAT FILL CAP! Distilled water is ok for top-off of course but impacts the freeze point just like it does with traditional stuff.

-20F is a PITA, but you do what you gotta do. Were I in that climate I'd put the AF in there for the winter and run inhibited water during the boating season, and when I changed back to the water I'd drain and KEEP the AF. Basically, the AF would be a "storage" solution only - and the rest of the time sit in my garage.
 
Genesis said:
2. For reasons not real well understood it tends to cause leaks where there weren't any before.

Interesting!!

I have already had a little of that prior to replacing ALL hoses and clamps.

Thanks,
Capt'n Bill
 
Just got back from the boat and am about mid way through changing the AF. I've got radiator flush sitting in the engines and will leave it in place for a week.

My question is to confirm proper Antifreeze for a 6-71. I went to Wallyworld, NAPA, Acme, CarQuest & Benny's. Only Advanced auto had something close to what I was looking for. Texaco Heavy Duty, low silicate, AF for gas & diesel engines. It was the only AF I could find which specifically referenced HD diesel Applications though it lacked any reference to GM applicability.

I picked up 9 gallons for the engines & genny. Tell me now if I need to return it and keep looking.
 
I don't know if that particular AF is ok or not, but I would lay money that the SCAs are not in there that you need - they'll have to be added.

I personally like Fleetcharge - it meets DD 7SE298, which is the applicable spec. If that stuff doesn't have that approval on the label, take it back.
 
Passages said:
Karl,

Below is a spec sheet I Googled.

Has the SCA's but lacks reference to DD7SE298 you mentioned. If this will not work, I'm running out of places to look.

I'm not runnin DD's, but you may try contacting these people"

http://www.covingtondiesel.com/

Also, I would bet any reputable heavy truck dealer in your area can help.

Good Luck,

Capt'n Bill
 
If you don't wish to use DD Powercool, Prestone, Zerex, Castrol, Valvolene, Exxon among others all have antifreeze per that spec. Shouldn't be that hard to locate.
 
MikeP said:
If you don't wish to use DD Powercool, Prestone, Zerex, Castrol, Valvolene, Exxon among others all have antifreeze per that spec. Shouldn't be that hard to locate.
I hear you Mike, but around here every flavor AF I looked at specifically referenced cars and light trucks. Even Zerex which I thought would be OK. Texaco HD was the ONLY brand I could find with a label claim for Heavy Duty Diesel applications.

Maybe I'm just being too anal over this. I change my AF every 2 years. Cooling system is 28 years old and is working fine.
 

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