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Bus Monkey looking at sick 892 in a 58 Hatt

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Yep, it's the notorious 92 wet liner seals in my friend Bill Hayes' boat.

He didn't overheat it or anything, they just failed from age and started dumping coolant into the crankcase. Unfortunately, in his case it was terrible timing, he had just bought the boat 3 days before and they were on their way home to Florida with it. Both engines had just passed engine surveys. This is why I've never bought a boat with 92's, those wet liner seals basically require you to rebuild every <20 years even if there's nothing wrong with the engine, other than age there's no way to predict when one will let go. I was supposed to go on that trip but couldn't get out of a bunch of hearings.

Oddly I have had 2 boats with 53's in them and never had a problem or heard about anybody who did, it just seems to be prevalent with the 92's for some reason.
 
I had already watched the video and that is terrible news for him. I myself had a mechanical right after purchase and it is very overwhelming. I do wonder though if the surveyor pulled the inspection covers off? I wish him the best and hope he gets back going ASAP.
 
He sent me a message asking about mechanics in the area. Referred him to Diesel Don and Lee Spry. He and I are Facebook friends, but I didn’t know he had a YouTube channel.

Told him I might be able to help if he wanted to lock a shaft and get it to Florida on one engine.
 
I had already watched the video and that is terrible news for him. I myself had a mechanical right after purchase and it is very overwhelming. I do wonder though if the surveyor pulled the inspection covers off? I wish him the best and hope he gets back going ASAP.
I know EXACTLY how he feels. :)
 
I had already watched the video and that is terrible news for him. I myself had a mechanical right after purchase and it is very overwhelming. I do wonder though if the surveyor pulled the inspection covers off? I wish him the best and hope he gets back going ASAP.
They did, they did full engine surveys with oil samples and borescope and everything else. He bought it right, he’s a smart guy. For whatever it’s worth, it’s a beautiful boat. This is a common 92-series problem, they have those wet liner seals where the rubber compound degrades with age. Eventually one of them will give up the ghost and start draining the coolant into the crankcase. There is no way to know their condition without tearing the engine down, and there’s no way to fix a failed seal without tearing the engine down. This is why if you have a choice most people will pick 71’s over 92’s. I feel for him, he just lost his last boat in the double hurricanes we had a couple months ago. This was the replacement.
 
I was just curious if the condition of the cylinders that we all saw in the video was there at survey, or did it deteriorate that bad during the move?Regardless I am in Nashville and I am available to help a guy when he is down if needed. Transportation, parts runner, and or ? Tell him to Hollar.
 
If you’re losing coolant in any Detroit just stop! The injector wells in the 53 and 71 can leak into the cylinders also. I didn’t watch the video but the 92 is a ticking time bomb and I’ve heard the new seals aren’t lasting. Anyone had a rubber band last more than a week lately? Rubber products today are garbage.
 
Here’s how it starts. Left hole bottom see where it’s coming out of the liner. Keep running one losing coolant on every trip turns into what this guy has. And I’ve seen plenty of people losing coolant and it not showing up on oil analysis. It must just get cooked out and sent out the exhaust.
 

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Here's the latest on the sick 892:https://youtu.be/uqltcHIZY_k?si=1nzVe1wtKAEYHBWS

I don't understand with all the internal engine damage, why didn't any of this show up on the engine survey? If the mechanic didn't see the ring damage in the observation ports, wouldn't the oil analysis have shown something amiss?
 
That engine is totaled (IMHO), doing an in frame on it will never get all of the metal out of the oil galleys. I feel real bad for the new owner, but at this point it is time for a repower. If that engine gets rebuilt in frame it will always be suspect.

If a true engine survey had been done as claimed then there is issues with who ever did it. I have to agree the seller of this boat knew the engine was on the way out.

And that isn't even talking about the other engine, which is more then likely on it's way south also.
 
That damage makes me feel awful for the owner. Could all of this happened so soon after a good survey? I don't think it would have sea trialed well, it could have not made full rpm and speed let alone the smoke that would not have cleared.

Walt Hoover
 
I don't understand with all the internal engine damage, why didn't any of this show up on the engine survey? If the mechanic didn't see the ring damage in the observation ports, wouldn't the oil analysis have shown something amiss?

If a true engine survey had been done as claimed then there is issues with who ever did it. I have to agree the seller of this boat knew the engine was on the way out.

On the survey not catching this, this is a tough problem to find on 92's.

When the liner seals fail it'll either dump coolant into the combustion chamber or into the crankcase, or both, depending on where the leak is. If the former, it'll come up on an oil analysis. That is unless the seller is a skeezeball and changes the oil before your survey to hide the problem, in which case it likely won't catch it. If it's leaking into the cylinders, there really are no symptoms to speak of other than you will have to keep refilling the coolant every so often.

That's not something the engine surveyor who runs it for 30 minutes and then goes home is likely going to catch. Detroits are pretty tough, they'll still spin up with everything in the world wrong with them, they're their own worst enemy in that regard. If you keep running the engine like that, the leak keeps getting worse from the expansion cycles and eventually it gets to the point where it trashes the pistons and rings since obviously liquid isn't compressible.

But to your point, I agree 100% the former owner had to know about this. He must have been refilling the coolant on that engine for a long time knowing full well there wasn't any in the bilge. My guess is that's why he decided to sell the boat. For whatever it's worth, Bill seems to be taking this all in stride. He loves the boat so much that he's not as mad as I think I would be in that situation, although it will probably set in later. I have invited him to join the forum, and he says he's going to.
 
A proper engine survey pulls all the injectors compression tests and bars the engine over checking each ring for proper tension. There is no way that was done. Easily a 2 man 2-3 day job. With no parts should be 4-6k if you’re not paying this the survey is a joke


On the survey not catching this, this is a tough problem to find on 92's.

When the liner seals fail it'll either dump coolant into the combustion chamber or into the crankcase, or both, depending on where the leak is. If the former, it'll come up on an oil analysis. That is unless the seller is a skeezeball and changes the oil before your survey to hide the problem, in which case it likely won't catch it. If it's leaking into the cylinders, there really are no symptoms to speak of other than you will have to keep refilling the coolant every so often.

That's not something the engine surveyor who runs it for 30 minutes and then goes home is likely going to catch. Detroits are pretty tough, they'll still spin up with everything in the world wrong with them, they're their own worst enemy in that regard. If you keep running the engine like that, the leak keeps getting worse from the expansion cycles and eventually it gets to the point where it trashes the pistons and rings since obviously liquid isn't compressible.

But to your point, I agree 100% the former owner had to know about this. He must have been refilling the coolant on that engine for a long time knowing full well there wasn't any in the bilge. My guess is that's why he decided to sell the boat. For whatever it's worth, Bill seems to be taking this all in stride. He loves the boat so much that he's not as mad as I think I would be in that situation, although it will probably set in later. I have invited him to join the forum, and he says he's going to.
 
I didn’t watch the video but the 92 is a ticking time bomb and I’ve heard the new seals aren’t lasting. Anyone had a rubber band last more than a week lately? Rubber products today are garbage.[/QUOTE]

Robert,
Are the rubber seal issues you mention only for the 92 series Detroit liners? Or apply to wet sleeved Cat and Cummins engines also?
 

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