Anyone Know What Happened to This 56MY?

[oscarvan]

Sounds like typical broker speak. <snip> its always easy to say <snip> that its a cheap and simple fix.

If it was easy and cheap they would have done it. They are basically admitting that it it NOT easy OR cheap.

 

[kaptain63]

Do you know the boat?

There is so much that’s wrong on that boat … it maybe the first time the engines are the least of the worries!

 

[cww]

Do you know the boat?

I get the impression you feel compelled to defend a boat you haven’t seen yet either, which sort of indicates you’re justifying a decision you’re already internally committed to. If that’s the case, then cool, no one is attacking you or the boat. We’ll all follow your restoration with interest. The point of a forum is to share knowledge. Ideally that happens before somebody makes a mistake, when it can still do some good. He’s not wrong. The listing self-identifies a bunch of issues. Don’t buy into the ‘it’s easy/cheap to fix’ claims, e.g. injectors. That would be a $250k boat in good condition, if the problem was really a cheap fix they’d have already fixed it instead of having to explain it to buyers and selling the boat for six figures under market. The owners themselves are telling you with that price something is wrong with it. This is a seller’s market, there are no super great deals right now. How long it stays that way is always a tossup, economic cycles affect boats and airplanes probably more than any other asset class, but a strong market is the case at the moment. When you add to that the other issues like it has to be disassembled and moved, this boat is just a lot of hassle compared to buying one that’s already in good shape and located on a navigable body of water. Don’t be that guy who buys the cheapest boat because it’s cheap, then 5 years later by the time you finally get it disassembled, reassembled, and back in good enough shape to actually spend a weekend out on it without half the stuff onboard breaking, you’ll already sick to death of the thing and selling it. Spend your time boating not fixing. It took me ages to learn that lesson.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I get the impression you feel compelled to defend a boat you haven’t seen yet either, which sort of indicates you’re justifying a decision you’re already internally committed to. If that’s the case, then cool, no one is attacking you or the boat. We’ll all follow your restoration with interest. The point of a forum is to share knowledge. Ideally that happens before somebody makes a mistake, when it can still do some good. He’s not wrong. The listing self-identifies a bunch of issues. Don’t buy into the ‘it’s easy/cheap to fix’ claims, e.g. injectors. That would be a $250k boat in good condition, if the problem was really a cheap fix they’d have already fixed it instead of having to explain it to buyers and selling the boat for six figures under market. The owners themselves are telling you with that price something is wrong with it. This is a seller’s market, there are no super great deals right now. How long it stays that way is always a tossup, economic cycles affect boats and airplanes probably more than any other asset class, but a strong market is the case at the moment. When you add to that the other issues like it has to be disassembled and moved, this boat is just a lot of hassle compared to buying one that’s already in good shape and located on a navigable body of water. Don’t be that guy who buys the cheapest boat because it’s cheap, then 5 years later by the time you finally get it disassembled, reassembled, and back in good enough shape to actually spend a weekend out on it without half the stuff onboard breaking, you’ll already sick to death of the thing and selling it. Spend your time boating not fixing. It took me ages to learn that lesson.

I don't know. I can see your point, but none of us have actually been on that boat. Maybe its a disaster or maybe its a steal. The only way we'll know for sure is for someone to go look at it.

 

[cww]

I don't know. I can see your point, but none of us have actually been on that boat. Maybe its a disaster or maybe its a steal. The only way we'll know for sure is for someone to go look at it.

Anything’s possible. Law of averages says somebody has to get lucky to offset all my bad luck.

 

[kaptain63]

I thought you might have seen the boat. That why I asked the question. I'm not defending the boat. I was just checking on prices for replacing injectors/engine over hall, shipping and tear down to move it. . My plan was to get it back to Florida and docked behind my house and start working on it. I have 3 years before I retire, so get it fixed up and go traveling. But after giving it some thought I'm going to pass on it. There's only one guy that can move it and if he can't I'm stuck with a boat on lake in Texas.

I get the impression you feel compelled to defend a boat you haven’t seen yet either, which sort of indicates you’re justifying a decision you’re already internally committed to. If that’s the case, then cool, no one is attacking you or the boat. We’ll all follow your restoration with interest. The point of a forum is to share knowledge. Ideally that happens before somebody makes a mistake, when it can still do some good. He’s not wrong. The listing self-identifies a bunch of issues. Don’t buy into the ‘it’s easy/cheap to fix’ claims, e.g. injectors. That would be a $250k boat in good condition, if the problem was really a cheap fix they’d have already fixed it instead of having to explain it to buyers and selling the boat for six figures under market. The owners themselves are telling you with that price something is wrong with it. This is a seller’s market, there are no super great deals right now. How long it stays that way is always a tossup, economic cycles affect boats and airplanes probably more than any other asset class, but a strong market is the case at the moment. When you add to that the other issues like it has to be disassembled and moved, this boat is just a lot of hassle compared to buying one that’s already in good shape and located on a navigable body of water. Don’t be that guy who buys the cheapest boat because it’s cheap, then 5 years later by the time you finally get it disassembled, reassembled, and back in good enough shape to actually spend a weekend out on it without half the stuff onboard breaking, you’ll already sick to death of the thing and selling it. Spend your time boating not fixing. It took me ages to learn that lesson.

 

[cww]

I thought you might have seen the boat. That why I asked the question. I'm not defending the boat. I was just checking on prices for replacing injectors/engine over hall, shipping and tear down to move it. . My plan was to get it back to Florida and docked behind my house and start working on it. I have 3 years before I retire, so get it fixed up and go traveling. But after giving it some thought I'm going to pass on it. There's only one guy that can move it and if he can't I'm stuck with a boat on lake in Texas.

I never went and saw it, I called about it when the listing first popped up a few years ago. I don’t know anything about Texas so it didn’t dawn on me that something this size would be sitting on a landlocked lake in the middle of nowhere. I just figured it was in the part that’s on the gulf and I could just bring it back down to florida. Once all this was all explained to me I lost interest. I’ve moved other boats before, I know it’s a hassle and it’s expensive. I think you came to the right conclusion on this one.

 

[jim rosenthal]

I haven't seen this boat. But I would not take the word of the person who wrote the listing concerning what might be wrong with the engine(s). Finding that out is why a prospective buyer gets an engine survey. As said, if it were that easy, it would be done already. It probably isn't that easy.

 

[Jsherid1]

I have been on this boat (a little over a year ago).

The good: I did not notice any core issues on the decks, the boat is all there and largely original, she is stored under cover so the UV hasn't eaten everything up, the AC was working properly

The bad: She has been sitting in the slip unused for years, I have no idea of the condition of the mechanical systems, she's covered in bird poop and the interior is in need of a major cleanup and refresh.

This boat would be a project--just cleaning her up would make a big difference and you would have a better idea of what you were working with and the mechanicals are a big unknown. The other big issue is that she is a very big boat on a landlocked lake and that isn't everyone's thing. There is a 66' Chris Craft Constellation on the same lake (you read that right, a Chris Craft version of the Pacemaker 66) that is beautiful and she has lingered on the market too.

 

[jmooney]

I have been on this boat (a little over a year ago).

The good: I did not notice any core issues on the decks, the boat is all there and largely original, she is stored under cover so the UV hasn't eaten everything up, the AC was working properly

The bad: She has been sitting in the slip unused for years, I have no idea of the condition of the mechanical systems, she's covered in bird poop and the interior is in need of a major cleanup and refresh.

This boat would be a project--just cleaning her up would make a big difference and you would have a better idea of what you were working with and the mechanicals are a big unknown. The other big issue is that she is a very big boat on a landlocked lake and that isn't everyone's thing. There is a 66' Chris Craft Constellation on the same lake (you read that right, a Chris Craft version of the Pacemaker 66) that is beautiful and she has lingered on the market too.

I heard that Chris Craft built two of these 66 foot boats. One for the President of Chris Craft and one for the Chairman of OMC . Supposedly all of the Pacemaker problems were solved, wooden window frames , fuel tank material and such . Beautiful boats , but a small engine room height. I heard that the other boat is in California. Earlier, Chris Craft built a handful of 65 ft Constellations. Even better looking in my opinion. The hulls were wooden and the house was fiberglass. Also ,a couple of raised pilot house versions of the 65 were made , not as good looking as the cruiser style.

 

[JuiceClark]

I thought you might have seen the boat. That why I asked the question. I'm not defending the boat. I was just checking on prices for replacing injectors/engine over hall, shipping and tear down to move it. . My plan was to get it back to Florida and docked behind my house and start working on it. I have 3 years before I retire, so get it fixed up and go traveling. But after giving it some thought I'm going to pass on it. There's only one guy that can move it and if he can't I'm stuck with a boat on lake in Texas.

Hey Kap'n,

I think you're doing the right thing. I'm about 7 years from retiring and bought my retirement Hatt during COVID. Having it on the dock behind your house makes ALL the difference. Instead of wasting time in front of the idiot box at night, working on the boat has been a pleasure. You bring in a pro for the things you don't want to touch, and save a fortune doing the rest. Best of all, you'll know every inch of her by the time you're ready to cruise.

People like to disparage a boat with problems but a new paint job - lipstick on a pig. However, it seems like I always end-up replacing all the pumps and lines and endless accessories anyway because they wear out and age. Other than significant engine problems, painting the boat is probably the most expensive thing...and probably best left to professionals.

As this economy continues to tank and fuel prices are vomitus, something nice will pop-up closer to home. Might want to have a Hatteras veteran bring her home with you though! That first trip home was a doozy, with the steering lines blown and stuff going wrong everywhere, and mine was only 6 miles away.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Freebird for the win, for delivery. Don't leave home without him.

 

[honeysea]

Hello all I,m a new bee here just joined yesterday & my forum handle is Honey Sea. A funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum. The first thread I stumble upon is this one. I have first hand info from the guy who owns the marina where this boat is floating for the last almost 8 years. His name is Mike Callahan and besides owning the Marina he is also the broker for the boat & I spoke with him last Thursday more out of curiosity then any thing else.
Like I said it,s been kept in the water under a shed for almost 8 yrs. The owner called Mike & told him to reduce it to $99,000 and take all offers. The boat does not run but the port engine I believe will start and run for a while the starboard will not start he says the injectors need cleaning. He said the boat is a project boat. Out side is a mess with bird poop and everything else imaginary covering it. It needs wood work and deck work. In side is pretty well appointed but needs a complete spit and polish to use his words. Me thinks there isn't enough SPIT in the big state of TEXAS to clean it but i,m sure it will clean up.
Now for the $64,000 dollar question how do you get a 56 ft. boat to the Gulf Of Mex from a lake on the Texas/Oklahoma boarder. 2 way,s. First one, You hire a boat transporter to haul it to Houston for $28,000 or there abouts. Then you find a marina in Houston that can put the boat in the water for you. (additional cost) Then you drive the boat to your home port unless you think you might have to do some work before hand.
The other alternative would be to float it down the Arkansas river from the lake where it now sits and navigate it thru other tributary's to the Gulf.
Mike Callahan all most begged me to come take a look at it I don,t think to many people get up Pottsboro Texas on the Oklahoma border. And by the way the closest Detroit Diesel dealership is about 150 miles away. So that,s the deal.
And as you guessed I am in the market for a boat just like that one only not a project.
Good to be aboard hope to share and listen to all.

Thanks
Honey Sea But y,all can just call me HONEY
SEMPER FI

 

[Retired1]

Hello all I,m a new bee here just joined yesterday & my forum handle is Honey Sea. A funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum. The first thread I stumble upon is this one. I have first hand info from the guy who owns the marina where this boat is floating for the last almost 8 years. His name is Mike Callahan and besides owning the Marina he is also the broker for the boat & I spoke with him last Thursday more out of curiosity then any thing else.
Like I said it,s been kept in the water under a shed for almost 8 yrs. The owner called Mike & told him to reduce it to $99,000 and take all offers. The boat does not run but the port engine I believe will start and run for a while the starboard will not start he says the injectors need cleaning. He said the boat is a project boat. Out side is a mess with bird poop and everything else imaginary covering it. It needs wood work and deck work. In side is pretty well appointed but needs a complete spit and polish to use his words. Me thinks there isn't enough SPIT in the big state of TEXAS to clean it but i,m sure it will clean up.
Now for the $64,000 dollar question how do you get a 56 ft. boat to the Gulf Of Mex from a lake on the Texas/Oklahoma boarder. 2 way,s. First one, You hire a boat transporter to haul it to Houston for $28,000 or there abouts. Then you find a marina in Houston that can put the boat in the water for you. (additional cost) Then you drive the boat to your home port unless you think you might have to do some work before hand.
The other alternative would be to float it down the Arkansas river from the lake where it now sits and navigate it thru other tributary's to the Gulf.
Mike Callahan all most begged me to come take a look at it I don,t think to many people get up Pottsboro Texas on the Oklahoma border. And by the way the closest Detroit Diesel dealership is about 150 miles away. So that,s the deal.
And as you guessed I am in the market for a boat just like that one only not a project.
Good to be aboard hope to share and listen to all.

Thanks
Honey Sea But y,all can just call me HONEY
SEMPER FI

Thanks for the truth. Since you are now actively boat hunting, let me ask you a couple of questions that will help you decide if the boat you think you want is actually the right boat - if you don’t mind.

1. How many people do you intend to sleep on the boat, and for how often? Perhaps you really don’t need to be dragging all those empty rooms around, when there’s usually nice hotels nearby. Hotels that guests would actually prefer to stay at vs having to be on their best behavior around you? And at a hotel you don’t have to have that awkward lecture about tampons and toilet paper with women.
If you eliminate that need for extra staterooms, you can buy a smaller boat. Which reminds me that I met a family at Plaza Venetia (had a office out at the fuel dock) in Miami years ago on a 27’ outboard powered cabin cruiser that had come from Mexico and was touring America (years before “the Loop” was a thing) who went from hotel to hotel. His beautiful wife and kids sure looked all happy, clean, and relaxed to me. I remember thinking “smart guy”.

2. How fast and far do you realistically intend to go? Are big OLD diesels with fewer and fewer mechanics and part availability the way to go? Four stroke outboards are quite fuel efficient. Modern diesels are quite efficient, for example a 48’ Fountain will cruise at 50 mph burning only a gallon per mile with three 480hp Cummins diesels which makes jumps across the GOM or deep into the Bahamas and back pretty quick. And those engines can be R&R pretty damn fast. A cruising power Cat like a PDQ is super fuel efficient.

3. Do you want to actually go cruising or just work on a boat for years, especially when there’s such a supply chain shortage of parts, or anyone to help you? I’ve personally watched a LOT of long haired skinny young dudes turn into old fat balding dudes with white ponytails at Riverbend, Summerfields, and Chinook boatyards in Ft. Lauderdale , who NEVER got their boats launched before they were destroyed and put in dumpsters. Hashish isn’t as available now like it used to be, and by golly gee, that stuff made people really dream for sure.

4. Then there’s insurance and dockage. So MAYBE you would be happier with a smaller newer faster boat that can actually be insured, and Dockmasters won’t make the signs of the cross (like you do for vampires) with their fingers when they see you coming. Another benefit is that it will be much easier to sell, when you realize you’ve “Been there-done that” and are ready to cut that money sucking biatch loose.

5. If your shopping on a budget, focus on old fiberglass Chris Crafts. Their gel coat is phenomenal, fittings don’t corrode away and since they were so well designed (you don’t have to walk up on one backwards), many stay in the hands of their original owners for quite the long time. You will also get a bonus discount from a seller if you say “I piss on the grave of F. Lee Bailey!”
Good luck amigo.
Although I’m retired, I still keep my website alive PURELY for historical purposes. “Old Print Ads-Long live the internet” at “yachtsforu.com”

 

[jmooney]

Thanks for the truth. Since you are now actively boat hunting, let me ask you a couple of questions that will help you decide if the boat you think you want is actually the right boat - if you don’t mind.

1. How many people do you intend to sleep on the boat, and for how often? Perhaps you really don’t need to be dragging all those empty rooms around, when there’s usually nice hotels nearby. Hotels that guests would actually prefer to stay at vs having to be on their best behavior around you? And at a hotel you don’t have to have that awkward lecture about tampons and toilet paper with women.
If you eliminate that need for extra staterooms, you can buy a smaller boat. Which reminds me that I met a family at Plaza Venetia (had a office out at the fuel dock) in Miami years ago on a 27’ outboard powered cabin cruiser that had come from Mexico and was touring America (years before “the Loop” was a thing) who went from hotel to hotel. His beautiful wife and kids sure looked all happy, clean, and relaxed to me. I remember thinking “smart guy”.

2. How fast and far do you realistically intend to go? Are big OLD diesels with fewer and fewer mechanics and part availability the way to go? Four stroke outboards are quite fuel efficient. Modern diesels are quite efficient, for example a 48’ Fountain will cruise at 50 mph burning only a gallon per mile with three 480hp Cummins diesels which makes jumps across the GOM or deep into the Bahamas and back pretty quick. And those engines can be R&R pretty damn fast. A cruising power Cat like a PDQ is super fuel efficient.

3. Do you want to actually go cruising or just work on a boat for years, especially when there’s such a supply chain shortage of parts, or anyone to help you? I’ve personally watched a LOT of long haired skinny young dudes turn into old fat balding dudes with white ponytails at Riverbend, Summerfields, and Chinook boatyards in Ft. Lauderdale , who NEVER got their boats launched before they were destroyed and put in dumpsters. Hashish isn’t as available now like it used to be, and by golly gee, that stuff made people really dream for sure.

4. Then there’s insurance and dockage. So MAYBE you would be happier with a smaller newer faster boat that can actually be insured, and Dockmasters won’t make the signs of the cross (like you do for vampires) with their fingers when they see you coming. Another benefit is that it will be much easier to sell, when you realize you’ve “Been there-done that” and are ready to cut that money sucking biatch loose.

Good luck amigo.

The guy just joined ! Don’t rain on his parade , let him dream . In the mean time , he can help me in the yard .

 

[Retired1]

The guy just joined ! Don’t rain on his parade , let him dream . In the mean time , he can help me in the yard .

LOL. I’m selling “skipping across the waves under clear sky’s, rainbows, and starry nights with beautiful firm bodied naked girls who never have to use the heads”, while they chant. “ Go Papi Lindo Go!”

 

[honeysea]

Actually, I was going to do a live aboard Makes a lot of sense let me rethink this a while.
Honey

 

[jmooney]

Actually, I was going to do a live aboard Makes a lot of sense let me rethink this a while.
Honey

We have a 61 Hatteras, its main use is as a live aboard , and it is very comfortable it that aspect. This 56 would be nice too. However the idea a dragging a half operable boat to a Marina usually won’t happen. It’s great to go out in the boat, even for a short trip . If you are like most of us , you will try to have your boat in the best condition possible. I enjoy working on the boat, But it can be overwhelming at times. I would buy the best boat that I could afford. Retired 1 has a good point. I have heard a good saying, buy the smallest boat that you can afford. I bought our boat for $390k 20 years ago. One way or another , it has probably cost us a million, I wouldn’t change a thing . Welcome aboard and good luck .

 

[kaptain63]

Just saw sale pending on this Hatteras.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Hope whoever buys it shows up on the HOF.