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I know the area to some degree. I have friends that live in Oakville and they have a cottage near Midland. I also sold a business here to a guy from Hamilton so I've visited the area quite a few times. You've got some good cruising around there and some nice little wineries as well.
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If you go the Erie Canal through to Buffalo, you bypass the Welland. The only way you would need to go through the Welland is if you are coming from Lake Ontario into Lake Erie.
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Yes, I would take the Erie Canal to Buffalo, Lake Ontario is my home and I will save the Welland Canal and other Great Lakes, the 1000 Islands, etc for future cruises. I created this thread to see what was the best route home if I purchase a FL boat and to see if there were any other more direct routes besides the eastern coastal route of the Great Loop.
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Yep, and I've got a chainsaw and a four wheel drive, both of which you would need in a major way with that route Ole' Yeller took back in 1492. As we say in this part of the country, you can't get there from here. Now if you're talking making the trip in a canoe, it might be possible as long as you don't mind carrying it for a mile or two here and there.
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Yes, the only way is to go underneath that 19 ft bridge at Chicago (mile 300 of the Illinois River System), unless you go to the Atlantic Ocean by the St. Lawrence Seaway or Erie Canal and Hudson Rivers. After you get to the Mississippi, you can go the way we did or down the Mississippi.
Walter P. - The reason we took 10 months to do the Great Loop is so we could cruise a few days, stop and see the area, cruise a few days, stop and see etc. We spent a week in Key West, 2 weeks at Marathon, 2 weeks in Miama (boat show time), a week up the Potomac to stay at WDC, and a week in New York City, after staying at your dock for 2 nights (Thanks). Also, you follow the Fall south, do South Florida's West Coast, Keys, East Coast for January-March when it's beautiful, and then follow the Spring north up through Georgia, the Carolinas, Chesapeake, etc. and get into NYC by June 1st so you're never on the Atlantic for hurricane season. It all just works our fun that way.
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You need to check bridge clearance for the Erie Canal system. Normal pool levels will give you 20ft clearance through to Oswego. Most bridges are 25FT or more but 2 are lower. Most of the time you have just under 25ft but you can't count on it. Heading further West you are limited to 15ft.
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I sent some Canadians down to help you Americans with the Asians (carp) 
Canadians to fight fish that threatens Great Lakes 05/12/2009 7:47:05 AM
Canadian biologists are in the United States trying to prevent a large, hungry, and invasive fish from making its way into the Great Lakes, where it could threaten native species and cost the fishing industry hundreds of millions of dollars.
Biologists from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) are working with a team of Illinois environmental officials trying to stop the spread of the Asian carp, which have been found in a canal dangerously close to Lake Michigan, according to DNA testing.
"We've had long days, some of our shifts worked to one in the morning," said Vecky Cudmore, senior science advisor for aquatic and invasive species for DFO.
She is one of 18 Canadians in the state to help the U.S. stop the fish from spreading uncontrollably into Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes system.
"This is an enormous operation," she told CTV.ca in a telephone interview after the end of her shift, explaining there are 400 people working on the project.
"It's a lot of work but everything's been very positive ... I'm really proud of the team from Canada, we've got a lot of complements from the U.S. They've noted how hard we're working and they're really happy that we were able to come and help out," she said.
Environmental officials warn that if the Asian carp makes its way into the Great Lakes, it would starve out native fish and devastate the fishing industry.
According to a 2006 survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service, the Great Lakes fishing industry is worth $7 billion.
In 2002, the Great Lakes Protection Fund found that Asian carp would cause much more ecological and economic damage than the infamous zebra mussel invasion.
Evidence of the fish has been found in a Chicago canal, about a 30-minute drive from the shores of Lake Michigan.
DNA tests show the carp may have even touched an electric barrier meant to stop the fish from getting in the lake.
A dangerous species
Cudmore said the Asian carp has already devastated native species populations in the Mississippi River basin.
"For every 10 fish you pull out of the river, nine of them are Asian carp," she said.
Asian carp grow very quickly and have no natural predators in the Great Lakes, so there are few factors to control their growth.
One carp can consume many times its body mass in small plants and animals at the bottom of the food chain, starving native fish, Cudmore said.
And that body mass is impressive, with one fish weighing as much as a teenager.
The Asian carp can grow to be more than a metre long and weigh up to 45 kilograms.
They were first imported into the U.S. by fish farms, but they escaped into the Mississippi river in the 1990s due to flooding. They've since moved north.
As of 2002, the carp could be found 80 kilometres south of Lake Michigan. They've crept up 40 kilometres closer to the lake in recent years.
Aside from stealing food from native fish, they are known to jump more than a metre out of the water when disturbed. There are reports that the fish have even injured fishermen.
Dumping poison
The electric barrier used to block the fish was turned off for routine maintenance Thursday, and Illinois environmental officials dumped 900 kilograms of Rotenone, a fish poison, into the canal in hopes of killing off the carp.
As of Friday, 90,000 kilograms of native fish were found dead, but just one dead Asian carp surfaced. Biologists say they still have to search through all the dead fish for another day or two in order to see if any more carp bodies turn up.
"It wasn't unexpected to find Asian carp and the good news is that we didn't find an awful lot of them," Cudmore said.
"It's a very good thing ... with low numbers we can still be in prevention mode."
One Canadian team is cleaning up the dead fish and another is pouring a chemical to neutralize the poison, so it doesn't unnecessarily leak into other areas.
The program is completely funded by the U.S. The Canadians, mostly from Ontario, made the trip Tuesday after U.S. officials asked for help.
Cudmore said it is common for Americans and Canadians to work together when it comes to invasive species, since the fish can easily swim north.
She said the effort was costing the Americans so much money that they were asking for donations of chemicals, equipment and staff to help bring down the cost. The Illinois Department of Natural Resources did not return calls Friday.
On Friday, an Obama administration advisor said the locks that open into Lake Michigan could soon be ordered temporarily closed in order to prevent the fish from getting into the lake.
Meanwhile, the governor of Michigan has threatened to sue if the locks weren't shut.
Cameron Davis, the Great Lakes adviser to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, told The Associated Press that the lock would be closed within two days.
Officials say they want to wait and see if any more carp bodies turn up before closing it. Any closures interrupt the region's important shipping lanes.
With files from The Associated Press
Canadians to fight fish that threatens Great Lakes 05/12/2009 7:47:05 AM
Canadian biologists are in the United States trying to prevent a large, hungry, and invasive fish from making its way into the Great Lakes, where it could threaten native species and cost the fishing industry hundreds of millions of dollars.
Biologists from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) are working with a team of Illinois environmental officials trying to stop the spread of the Asian carp, which have been found in a canal dangerously close to Lake Michigan, according to DNA testing.
"We've had long days, some of our shifts worked to one in the morning," said Vecky Cudmore, senior science advisor for aquatic and invasive species for DFO.
She is one of 18 Canadians in the state to help the U.S. stop the fish from spreading uncontrollably into Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes system.
"This is an enormous operation," she told CTV.ca in a telephone interview after the end of her shift, explaining there are 400 people working on the project.
"It's a lot of work but everything's been very positive ... I'm really proud of the team from Canada, we've got a lot of complements from the U.S. They've noted how hard we're working and they're really happy that we were able to come and help out," she said.
Environmental officials warn that if the Asian carp makes its way into the Great Lakes, it would starve out native fish and devastate the fishing industry.
According to a 2006 survey by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service, the Great Lakes fishing industry is worth $7 billion.
In 2002, the Great Lakes Protection Fund found that Asian carp would cause much more ecological and economic damage than the infamous zebra mussel invasion.
Evidence of the fish has been found in a Chicago canal, about a 30-minute drive from the shores of Lake Michigan.
DNA tests show the carp may have even touched an electric barrier meant to stop the fish from getting in the lake.
A dangerous species
Cudmore said the Asian carp has already devastated native species populations in the Mississippi River basin.
"For every 10 fish you pull out of the river, nine of them are Asian carp," she said.
Asian carp grow very quickly and have no natural predators in the Great Lakes, so there are few factors to control their growth.
One carp can consume many times its body mass in small plants and animals at the bottom of the food chain, starving native fish, Cudmore said.
And that body mass is impressive, with one fish weighing as much as a teenager.
The Asian carp can grow to be more than a metre long and weigh up to 45 kilograms.
They were first imported into the U.S. by fish farms, but they escaped into the Mississippi river in the 1990s due to flooding. They've since moved north.
As of 2002, the carp could be found 80 kilometres south of Lake Michigan. They've crept up 40 kilometres closer to the lake in recent years.
Aside from stealing food from native fish, they are known to jump more than a metre out of the water when disturbed. There are reports that the fish have even injured fishermen.
Dumping poison
The electric barrier used to block the fish was turned off for routine maintenance Thursday, and Illinois environmental officials dumped 900 kilograms of Rotenone, a fish poison, into the canal in hopes of killing off the carp.
As of Friday, 90,000 kilograms of native fish were found dead, but just one dead Asian carp surfaced. Biologists say they still have to search through all the dead fish for another day or two in order to see if any more carp bodies turn up.
"It wasn't unexpected to find Asian carp and the good news is that we didn't find an awful lot of them," Cudmore said.
"It's a very good thing ... with low numbers we can still be in prevention mode."
One Canadian team is cleaning up the dead fish and another is pouring a chemical to neutralize the poison, so it doesn't unnecessarily leak into other areas.
The program is completely funded by the U.S. The Canadians, mostly from Ontario, made the trip Tuesday after U.S. officials asked for help.
Cudmore said it is common for Americans and Canadians to work together when it comes to invasive species, since the fish can easily swim north.
She said the effort was costing the Americans so much money that they were asking for donations of chemicals, equipment and staff to help bring down the cost. The Illinois Department of Natural Resources did not return calls Friday.
On Friday, an Obama administration advisor said the locks that open into Lake Michigan could soon be ordered temporarily closed in order to prevent the fish from getting into the lake.
Meanwhile, the governor of Michigan has threatened to sue if the locks weren't shut.
Cameron Davis, the Great Lakes adviser to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, told The Associated Press that the lock would be closed within two days.
Officials say they want to wait and see if any more carp bodies turn up before closing it. Any closures interrupt the region's important shipping lanes.
With files from The Associated Press
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So, what's the latest on this lock closure and how long is it predicted to remain closed?
Could be I'll have to re-enact a single engine run north with that 55C... sort of a snowbunny run in reverse.
Could be I'll have to re-enact a single engine run north with that 55C... sort of a snowbunny run in reverse.
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Hi Doug,
Yep, I remember why it took as long as it did for you to do the GL. IMO it's the only way to do it. Perhaps some day but my problem is that I'm running out of "somedays". It was wonderful having you guys at our club, and if you ever pass through again, just let me know, you have an open invitation.
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Yep, I remember why it took as long as it did for you to do the GL. IMO it's the only way to do it. Perhaps some day but my problem is that I'm running out of "somedays". It was wonderful having you guys at our club, and if you ever pass through again, just let me know, you have an open invitation.
Walt
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I just saw this great thread. Very important for me because in December I purchased a Mainship 40 (I really wanted a Hatt but just could not pass on this deal) in Rhode Island and have to get it up to Rockport, 1000 Islands (Ontario). I have studied ever possible route and sought out advice from anyone who seemed to have any knowledge. The conclusion reached is to go from Rhode Island down to NY and up the Hudson River to Albany, then take the Erie Canal over to the Oswego Canal and then go into Lake Ontario where the Oswego Canal ends. Then backtrack through Lake Ontario to the St. Lawrence through to Rockport (opposite Alexandria Bay on the US side). I am told that my clearance of 17.6 ft; beam of 14 ft; length of 40 ft; draft of 3 ft 6 inches will NOT present any problems through that route.
If anyone knows something I don't I would REALLY appreciate hearing from you as I am leaving the last week of April from Barrington, RI to get to the Erie Canal for opening day on May 1st.
I joined this forum because I was only looking at Hatts. Came close to buying Freebird's 58TC but then I ran across a like new 40 Mainship 23 yrs old that needs next to nothing done to it. I still have my sights set on a 53ED. So I hope that being an owner of a Mainship will not get me booted off here
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So, what the Asian carp has done for the fisheries the farm salmon and escaped Atalanic farm salmon will do the wild salmon industry, I fail to see why the fisheries people do not recognize these problems specially after the proof jumps out of water and bites their ass, typical civil servants, brain dead.
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Craig:
I really appreciate your reply. I guess one has to be a Hatt owner to generate the interest and responses from HOF members so I will try a few other boater forums. I thought my question would generate a lot of help but apparently not and it may be because nobody had done this actual trip. I am still hoping for some responses from boaters who have done the trip because there are some bridge height questions and some depth questions I have after going over the NY Waterway charts of the Erie Canal. Even though I am taking the Canadian Power Squadron accelerated course, I still have a lot of questions about simple basics of locking through (eg: I have heard you must have 4 people on deck or you can't enter a lock in the Erie Canal?).
I have been in touch with several people who have done the Champlain run up to Montreal but I want to go the Erie canal route.
Bill
I really appreciate your reply. I guess one has to be a Hatt owner to generate the interest and responses from HOF members so I will try a few other boater forums. I thought my question would generate a lot of help but apparently not and it may be because nobody had done this actual trip. I am still hoping for some responses from boaters who have done the trip because there are some bridge height questions and some depth questions I have after going over the NY Waterway charts of the Erie Canal. Even though I am taking the Canadian Power Squadron accelerated course, I still have a lot of questions about simple basics of locking through (eg: I have heard you must have 4 people on deck or you can't enter a lock in the Erie Canal?).
I have been in touch with several people who have done the Champlain run up to Montreal but I want to go the Erie canal route.
Bill
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Bill, I'm sure these guys would help if they had info, but you may want to try www.passagemaker.com to see if you can find any of the trawler guys who have made this trip. If that doesn't work, try www.thehulltruth.com and see what happens. Those are the only other resources I can think of that you may not have tried.
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I have done the NY canal route from Lake Ontario to the Hudson numerous times and have taken a 46 Bertram from Alexandria Bay to St Pete. You will have no problem with your height. The 61 MY made it through the canal with the arch down.
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reason you only got one reply is probably because nobody really has a firm answer for you...
try www.boatered.com there are a lot of serious guys there with a lot of experience ...
also, members on the Trawlers list probably have some info
http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering
or the great loop list
http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop
you can search the lists archives and probably find some info, without subscribing.
try www.boatered.com there are a lot of serious guys there with a lot of experience ...
also, members on the Trawlers list probably have some info
http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering
or the great loop list
http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop
you can search the lists archives and probably find some info, without subscribing.
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I'll reserve comment on boatered, but I think the main reason why he's not getting any more help is he needs his own specific thread. This one has been around for a while and really doesn't address the trip he's trying to make.
Start a new thread in the sand bar Bill and see if that doesn't help. Entitle it, "NY Lawyer Needs Help Leaving For Canada". That should do it.
Start a new thread in the sand bar Bill and see if that doesn't help. Entitle it, "NY Lawyer Needs Help Leaving For Canada". That should do it.
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I'll reserve comment on boatered, but I think the main reason why he's not getting any more help is he needs his own specific thread. This one has been around for a while and really doesn't address the trip he's trying to make.
Start a new thread in the sand bar Bill and see if that doesn't help. Entitle it, "NY Lawyer Needs Help Leaving For Canada". That should do it.
Craig and I responded, How many responses are required? A little impatient given the post is only 1 day old. Some people work and Sun was Superbowl.
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Now Dave, you know there has to be a consensus on such things.
Just kidding as Bill obviously hasn't logged back in since you made your post, and it would seem Craig's suggested route is one he's not looking for.
Just kidding as Bill obviously hasn't logged back in since you made your post, and it would seem Craig's suggested route is one he's not looking for.
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Thanks for the compliments to my thread. Also, the conclusions you have reached above are correct, you should have no problems really with that boat and it's clearances. I had heard you must have at least 2 people onboard for the locks, first time anyone mentioned 4 is required; I do not have the answer to that one. Anyone else?
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