65' Long Range Cruiser

[Scarlett]

Sky, I also thought they did a great job on that boat also, but it has been for sale for quite awhile. John

 

[oscarvan]

Sky, I also thought they did a great job on that boat also, but it has been for sale for quite awhile. John

That's because they blew the (waaay too) large budget on the nice interior/cosmetics, which is gonna price them even more out of the neighborhood when the 3600 hour 12V71's need to come out.

FIRST engines. THEN the pretty things.

 

[JD5652]

According to the magazine article in the brochure archives here, it cruises at 9 knots @ 1,400RPM while burning 8GPH total. I could live with that. Did I mention my birthday is in October, and that I'm up for adoption?

Gotta wonder what it would take to buy that one. I keep watching that damn video!

Those numbers are very close based upon one year experience with my 58 LRC. I do not have Flowscans or other real time fuel flow monitoring, but was based upon a 1700 mile trip with one fuel stop.

 

[rtrafford]

Those numbers are very close based upon one year experience with my 58 LRC. I do not have Flowscans or other real time fuel flow monitoring, but was based upon a 1700 mile trip with one fuel stop.

The numbers make a lot of sense with my own detroit experiences, but I didn't want to advertise a fuel consumption rate that was this efficient without knowing more about the boat. My Hargrave moves through the water pretty effortlessly. While I know I can far improve my consumption with something less that the 12 holes, something more modern, I really like knowing the power is there for thrust when you want it given the mass.

If I ever have to rebuild the 12's, I can see myself going to a high torque 6, and in doing so would likely double my range. I just don't have the cruising experience of a Hatt larger than 50 that isn't up on a plane.

 

[Byresch]

She is a beautiful boat, good luck selling her.

 

[howhomes]

Sir, if that is your Burger "Glory" in the background she is beautiful.

 

[rtrafford]

Sir, if that is your Burger "Glory" in the background she is beautiful.

No "Glory" aboard my Burger. Miss Fit. Formerly Taittenger.

 

[edward]

This sounds like a good deal if it is nice in person as the video,yes/no ? Edwaed

 

[Jazomir]

She is a indeed beautiful vessel - classic looks both outside and inside. A few things bother me, though - the first being the 2 generators without sound shields as I would have thought the noise from DDC 20kW in particular would be very intrusive. Second, the Detroit Diesels even with a zero hours rebuild have 1360+ hours on them - how long would they be expected to reliably continue in service (though they were used in the past, they are not common engines in Europe). I could see this vessel being a great retirement cruiser for the Bahamas and West Indies - not so much in Europe due to the cost of diesel (£1.25/$1.40 per litre at last count) so even filling up once a year would be an expensive, even in Gibraltar which IIRC has the cheapest diesel in Europe.
Anyway, I can still dream.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

She is a indeed beautiful vessel - classic looks both outside and inside. A few things bother me, though - the first being the 2 generators without sound shields as I would have thought the noise from DDC 20kW in particular would be very intrusive. Second, the Detroit Diesels even with a zero hours rebuild have 1360+ hours on them - how long would they be expected to reliably continue in service (though they were used in the past, they are not common engines in Europe). I could see this vessel being a great retirement cruiser for the Bahamas and West Indies - not so much in Europe due to the cost of diesel (£1.25/$1.40 per litre at last count) so even filling up once a year would be an expensive, even in Gibraltar which IIRC has the cheapest diesel in Europe.
Anyway, I can still dream.

1360 hours on 671n's is nothing. They could easily reach 10,000hrs or maybe even 20,000 before the next rebuild. And parts are available anywhere in the world.

If you can't afford the fuel, you probably can't afford the boat. Fuel, even at those prices, would still be the cheapest part of owning and maintaining the boat.

 

[Jazomir]

1360 hours on 671n's is nothing. They could easily reach 10,000hrs or maybe even 20,000 before the next rebuild. And parts are available anywhere in the world.

If you can't afford the fuel, you probably can't afford the boat. Fuel, even at those prices, would still be the cheapest part of owning and maintaining the boat.

I come from a sailing background so spending anything more than a few hundred dollars to fill up makes me baulk. It's a cultural thing that I will have to get over - I have various flexibility (not strength) issues related to arthritis that mean a sailboat is out of the question for me 'cos nowadays I simply couldn't manage the heavy work involved ,especially in heavy weather, so a trawler - single or twin - would seem to be the way forward. Bite the bullet and all that!
Addendum- forget the 3 doggies we have in tow. I'm used to overnighters (and would have several heads at my disposal like at home) but I don't think I could face the prospect of long distance sail passages with the attendant doggie mess so it would be island hopping for me, anyway.

 

[jmooney]

Sound shields, although I have them, are the death of generators .

 

[Jazomir]

Sound shields, although I have them, are the death of generators .

Interesting - I have heard opposing views on this subject. For, is the fact that a good well designed enclosure will have little or no effect on the drive engine despite the potential for higher temperatures in and around it. On the other hand, it is easy to miss a change on sound caused by a fault/imbalance in the drive engine which would mean that potential problems could go un-detected. Personally, it would be a shielded gennie for me - excluding from a few manufacturers producing very small 'packages' - I would make sure servicing/oil changes and checks were carried out and in a large boat have a backup, preferably identical model to cut down on the number of spares and service packs needing to be carried on long cruises.

 

[rtrafford]

Sound shields, although I have them, are the death of generators .

Agreed on sound shields. Better solution is simply hanging some sound deadening panels on a couple of sides of the generator against hard surfaces to limit the reverberation. Typically I do this on two sides and then something directly overhead, leaving plenty of access and visibility.

 

[jmooney]

A few years ago a company offered a sound shield comprising of a tubular stainless steel frame around the generator on which a blanket of sound deadening material was draped. They had access panels held closed with Velcro and the entire shield could be removed quickly. They didn’t catch on, I have only seen one.

 

[Mailman]

Hey Sky...been following this thread for years and I wonder ..... Would you have any estimate on what the yearly cost of maintenance for a boat like this... minus the insurance ,dock fee?

$15,000 a year ...$10,000?

How less to a 58 or 48 long range cruiser

Thanks

Mailman Jim

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I'm sure others will chime in, but since I boat in freshwater, I'm not really sure. My costs are much less since the boat is in inside heated storage for 7 months/yr.

 

[rtrafford]

Hey Sky...been following this thread for years and I wonder ..... Would you have any estimate on what the yearly cost of maintenance for a boat like this... minus the insurance ,dock fee?

$15,000 a year ...$10,000?

How less to a 58 or 48 long range cruiser

Thanks

Mailman Jim

You're going to spend 10-15 just for the basic annual yard work. Fiberglass boat, perhaps that's split in half for two years between hauls. Add fuel and oil changes. Dockage. Depends on how you then use it. Taking care and enjoying a boat like this where you actually start the engines quickly gets to a big number.

 

[bigbill]

it also depends on how much maintenance you can do yourself. a 1500 dollar oil change can be done by yourself for less than half if you are capable. my yard charges 10 each to install zincs plus the price of the zincs. i have 6 zincs so i save 60 dollars and do it while they are painting the bottom. just changed 4 pieces of exhaust, took my about 6 hours, 100 dollars an hour, just saved 600 dollars

 

[rtrafford]

it also depends on how much maintenance you can do yourself. a 1500 dollar oil change can be done by yourself for less than half if you are capable. my yard charges 10 each to install zincs plus the price of the zincs. i have 6 zincs so i save 60 dollars and do it while they are painting the bottom. just changed 4 pieces of exhaust, took my about 6 hours, 100 dollars an hour, just saved 600 dollars

Absolutely. But it seems to me that when you get to this size range your yard bills have a floor for these yards that looks a lot like $10k. Stabilizers have to be serviced every couple or three years, too. Cutlass bearings, too. Average those things out, and the annual maintenance cost really starts in the 10-15 range with owner doing almost all of his own work. Then factor in depreciating materials and systems, factor those into an annual dividend to the boating gods...


Bottom line, don't fool yourself.