Newbie here with 92658 questions...

[hibbingbrian]

Hi All,

Awesome form! A vast amount of knowledge that has proven valuable in my recent purchase!

I am a newbie here. I just purchased a 1981 48’ MY. The short version is I have been looking for a looper boat that I can live/cruise on in the winter after we do the loop. I saw the Hat and although not the perfect loop boat I fell in love. She looked so sophisticated and stately. The back deck the bridge the… well you all get it I think. Well I couldn’t resist, with the help and advice of a few of you on this form (through PM’s and a few phone calls thanks) I made a lowball offer and they basically took it. I about shit myself. Although I have been boating all my life, never in anything quite this big. The next biggest is my 31’ pontoon with a 10’2” beam. Just a quick FYI I did get my Six pack License a few years ago in preparation of this purchase and will definitely hire a experienced Captain next spring to provide me with proper instruction and travel with me until I feel comfortable in piloting/docking it myself. Well there is the short version.

So now the questions begin. I have been looking for a dinghy. I found one I really like but it is a bit on the heavier side. It is a Projet 350 weighing about 650lbs. It has had limited use only in fresh water. I have read the pros and cons of a Jet tender and am comfortable with the cons but I certainly may have missed something so feel free to weigh in with opinions please! What I can’t find is a good or the right davit system for it if I do go ahead with the purchase. I will be cruising with a 75lb golden that will need to be transported to shore from time to time so I want something that is easily deployable off the back (transom or swim deck mounted) What I am struggling with is finding a weight rating for the swim platform. How much can it hold on the outer edge as opposed to something mounted in the in the middle. Does something like that even exist? I know it will depend on the width of the platform. Mine, I believe, is original and maybe two feet wide. I am looking at putting some kind of steps out the back in place of the ladder so I am considering that also with choosing the right davit system. I keep searching for info and pictures of Hat MY’s with different systems but have found little info so far. Any advice or input on my ramblings above is greatly appreciated!

Once I figure out this issue we’ll move on to inverters, solar panels, windlasses, electronics, …. LOL!

Cheers,

…b

 

[jim rosenthal]

Personally I think you'd be much better off with a RIB tender and a small outboard for it. 650 pounds is a lot of weight to try and stow anywhere, I think. I believe (no proof on this) that most of the yachts here with tenders have inflatables of some kind.

 

[Freeebird]

I bought a Boston Whaler Rage 14 jet boat with the idea of using it as a tender on my 58TC, but it had a crane that would handle the weight, and it would have been on a cradle behind the bridge. I think you might have some difficulties trying to do anything involving the swim platform as I can’t see trying to put such a boat up on its side. The platform would handle the weight, but I don’t think the tender would be happy. Davits on the transom would be your best bet. Then comes the issue of your beam vs the length of your tender.

As for the Captain/teaching thing, where will you be keeping the new boat? I can definitely get you up to speed on locks etc. in preparation for your loop adventure. I’ve done a little better than half at this point.

 

[Byresch]

I agree with Jim that boat is too heavy for your 48. I had a friend in San Diego that lived aboard with a Golden Retriever and he had a rib tender with a 25 horse outboard and had not problems transporting the dog. I'd go with the rib and outboard if I were you.

 

[Scarlett]

If you have lots of money, like most of us lol, look at a Freedom Lift, nice piece of equipment with a pretty good lift capacity. John

 

[hibbingbrian]

Thanks for the responses, all very helpful. Freebird the boat is by Minneapolis on the St Croix.

 

[Jammin']

I found an older Logic rotomolded plastic dinghy in the shape of an inflatable with a 2-stroke 15 horse engine. It will do about 20 mph and weighs very little. The "tubes" are rigid so guests can step on them when getting on and off and will accept non-skid for sure footing. It's a cheap thing that I think fits the bill perfectly.

 

[Freeebird]

Thanks for the responses, all very helpful. Freebird the boat is by Minneapolis on the St Croix.

I would LOVE to see that part of the river. I’ve been as far north as the Quad Cities on the Mississippi. I lost my golden of 12 years a few months ago and recently adopted a white German Shepherd. Haven’t taken him boating yet, but he loves riding in vehicles.

 

[Photolomy]

I use an inflatable and 9.9 hp mercury that I lift and lower from the flybridge. I originally wanted something more robust but after reading stories of trying to launch and hoist heavy dinghies, I am glad I went light. However, I am intrigued by this arrangement off the swim platform...

https://www.technomadia.com/2019/03/y-not-upgrades-modifications-two-year-update-and-tour/

If I ever decide to move my dinghy to the swim platform and free up a bunch of fly bridge space, this is probably what I would use.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Now I HAVE seen everything. A Bayliner with an Ultra anchor. Good for them.

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

Now I HAVE seen everything. A Bayliner with an Ultra anchor. Good for them.

Worth as much as some Bayliners.

 

[Boatsb]

A customer with the same boat was on the hard and a sailboat next to it fell over and it did major damage. He is having it rebuilt. For some reason they k ow it's a cheaply built boat but they have a following

 

[gbharrington]

I have a 12' center console RIB with a 25hp and with full fuel and battery comes in ~650lbs. The center console and flat floor aspect adds a decent amount of weight. I use a transom mounted davit to launch and retrieve. It takes a few minutes either way and is easy to single hand.

 

[hibbingbrian]

Greg,

I was typing an email to you when you sent this. I was wondering, of course, the cost and if you had to beef up the transom to support the Pacific model. Maybe I'll just call. LOL.

...b

 

[jim rosenthal]

It's surprising the following that those diesel Bayliners have. They continue to be popular. From what I've heard, they are reliable, cheap to buy, and have good accommodations in them. Not plush, certainly, but adequate.

 

[Scarlett]

I’ll change your mind on the Bayliner. I surveyed a 4588 with the Hino Diesels. It was lifted out of the water on a pretty narrow travel lift and one side about in the center of the boat was actually crushed in by the strap on the travel lift. The guy that was buying it bailed out and a friend of mine bought the boat for $50,000.

 

[Freeebird]

I’ll change your mind on the Bayliner. I surveyed a 4588 with the Hino Diesels. It was lifted out of the water on a pretty narrow travel lift and one side about in the center of the boat was actually crushed in by the strap on the travel lift. The guy that was buying it bailed out and a friend of mine bought the boat for $50,000.

That actually surprises me, but who paid for the damage?

I ran one of those boats with Hino's many years ago and have been aboard a couple since. I've always liked the 45 and 38 and thought they were built much better than the smaller boats. Maybe the later models were lightened/cheapened up. The one I ran was a mid-80's model.

 

[Scarlett]

It is my understanding that the 4588 and smaller were built a bit light, the 4788 and larger were built a lot better and that has been my experience with surveys of these boats. Have done quite a few 4588 and some 4788 and 5788 and the larger ones are definitely built better, in fact the larger ones are actually pretty good boats overall. John

 

[Freeebird]

It is my understanding that the 4588 and smaller were built a bit light, the 4788 and larger were built a lot better and that has been my experience with surveys of these boats. Have done quite a few 4588 and some 4788 and 5788 and the larger ones are definitely built better, in fact the larger ones are actually pretty good boats overall. John

Whose insurance paid for that damage from the haul out?

I assume someone's did.

 

[Scarlett]

My friend who bought the boat was able to fix it himself with a little help for about $3800.00 in materials and a lot of fiberglassing. As to the insurance question I assume the previous owners policy might have given him something because the boat was undergoing a purchase survey at the time so he still owned it. The yards on the west coast make you sign a release so the yard is not liable for any damage they do. John