The importance of ER checks.

[kelpy]

If it takes three days for an engine room to cool off, just think about all of the other pieces of equipment and systems that are stewing away at the same time. The Delta -T system has my DD 16-92s and the generators cooled down overnight after a two day run.

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

source of this rule?

Illegal to add soap to spill. Fuel spill $5k; adding soap $25k. Soap in ER is not illegal just circumstantial.

 

[Boatsb]

Having dawn soap in the bilge and engine room especially not in a sealed bottle will get you a ticket or worse.

During an inspection a while back we were warned it shoukd be kept in the galley and if found in bilge water or the engine spaces it would be considered a violation.

The dawn and other dish soaps causes the oils to drop to the bottom and cause more damage.

 

[krush]

Having dawn soap in the bilge and engine room especially not in a sealed bottle will get you a ticket or worse.

During an inspection a while back we were warned it shoukd be kept in the galley and if found in bilge water or the engine spaces it would be considered a violation.

The dawn and other dish soaps causes the oils to drop to the bottom and cause more damage.

They sprayed tons of soap, i mean "dispersants" during the gulf oil spill.

If somebody wrote me a ticket for soap in my ER, or in my bilges, I'd be fighting it. It's illegal to pump oil (and oil with soap) overboard. It's not illegal to have oil (and oil with soap) in the bilges. Glad to see they have good priorities.

 

[Boatsb]

If the pump goes on automatically guess what you just did if there's oil and soap in the bilge.

I know none of us ever have a bilge pump empty out the bilge.

 

[krush]

If the pump goes on automatically guess what you just did if there's oil and soap in the bilge.

And if the pump doesn't go on, then the oil and soap stay in the bilge. One can't proactively write a ticket for a violation that did not occur!

 

[Walter P]

I guess GUNK is not legal to clean a marine engine anymore. Actually I use Spray 9 and lots of rags and it cleans the bilges very well. Never any discharge but my bilges are dry except for the shower sump which obviously has soapy shower water and that does go over. Some places even that is no longer permitted. I know some of these rules are inconvenient but in the long run they have been paying off with much cleaner waterways. Not many years ago nothing lived in the waters of NY harbor, now they actually are catching a variety of fish there. It's our water too so we should all be willing to do our part, small as it may seem.

Walt

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

And if the pump doesn't go on, then the oil and soap stay in the bilge. One can't proactively write a ticket for a violation that did not occur!

Then you won't mind being the test case, right? The United States of America v Krush. Shouldn't be all that expensive.

 

[Boatsb]

The have a new environmentally friendly version of gunk. Have at it in the engine room. It doesn't move grease at all

 

[Pascal]

Just like you will get a fine for having your black water seacock open or closed with the handle on and unsecured and without a key switch. You may not have been dumping crap overboard but they still will write you up

And I am glad they are enforcing these rules

 

[ageless]

not trying to be argumentative, but how is it the shower sump (containing soap) can go overboard but other (soap) sources cant?

 

[Pascal]

It's not the soap it's the effect of the soap on oil.

I ve seen more than one dock hand grabbing a bottle of liquid soap and spraying it over a small slick... they had no idea it was illegal but it is Left alone diesel and gas will evaporate pretty quickly

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

not trying to be argumentative, but how is it the shower sump (containing soap) can go overboard but other (soap) sources cant?

Kinda like hanging it over the side. You might get cited for indecent exposure, but probably not for the discharge of raw sewage into a waterway.

Here is the USCG's interpretation of the law on oil spills:

https://www.uscg.mil/lsc/water.asp

How much is enough? A sheen. Sweaty sunscreen dripping off my head makes a sheen!

Here is an example of using detergents to clean-up oil.

http://coastguardnews.com/coast-gua...-of-using-detergents-in-the-water/2012/10/18/

There are some places (municipalities, marinas, etc.) that prohibit gray water discharge. I would expect that list to grow.

Gray water discharge isn't against federal or any state laws (that I know of). But since thinking outside the bucket is fun... What if you ran your washing machine or momma decided to wash the dishes while you were refueling? I can see where an eager-beaver type might see the sheen from the three drops that came out your vent and the soapy water from the wash. I mean we've all heard of crazier stuff than that, haven't we? If they want you, they'll get you.

Expanding on an earlier post about having oil and/or soap in bilge that had not yet been pumped over. There WILL be an oily film in that bilge pump's discharge line because sometime in the past someone did have a little bit of oil in the mix. Bet on it. Because, that's right, if they want you they'll get you.

 

[krush]

All the reason to keep the bilges clean and fix the leaks. I have diapers laying down by the pumps too.

PS: I used WASP/Hornet spray the other day and some went in the bathtub and 5 gallon bucket on deck. It made a spectacular sheen.

 

[kelpy]

As krush stated, keep the bilges clean. There is no reason or excuse for fuel or oil to be in the bilge in the first place. Spend the time and /or money and get the bilge bays clean and fix the leaks that caused the problem in the first place.

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

As krush stated, keep the bilges clean. There is no reason or excuse for fuel or oil to be in the bilge in the first place. Spend the time and /or money and get the bilge bays clean and fix the leaks that caused the problem in the first place.

Well there can be excuses, even good ones but, nevertheless, unacceptable. I blew a steering line July 4th, 2016. I had Hynautic fluid all over never-never land. That's the area from the ER to the transom under the cockpit coaming. You can't even see everywhere in there, let alone access it. I cleaned, I cleaned, and I cleaned some more--every week less and less, but still some there. You think you got it and there it is again. After 10 months I finally no longer had that little stripe of oil on top of the bilge water on that side. Didn't matter how many pads I put down, it just had to run its course.

 

[bobk]

As krush stated, keep the bilges clean. There is no reason or excuse for fuel or oil to be in the bilge in the first place. Spend the time and /or money and get the bilge bays clean and fix the leaks that caused the problem in the first place.

With Detroits?

Bobk

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

In SC, there were some state troopers on the job with suspended licenses three or fours years back. The joke was when a trooper asked for your license, say you first.

If you get boarded and they find oil, ask to see their bilge.

 

[SEVEN]

In SC, there were some state troopers on the job with suspended licenses three or fours years back. The joke was when a trooper asked for your license, say you first.

If you get boarded and they find oil, ask to see their bilge.

I'd say "I don't need to show you any stinking bilges".

 

[kelpy]

With Detroits?

Bobk

Detroits won't leak any oil if maintained properly. If there is a leak, get it fixed just like on any other engine.