1975 Hatteras Motor Yacht

[Byresch]

I saw a 53 Motoryacht for sale on Yachtworld in Sarasota, FL. Her name is Gypsy Rose and her home port is Annapolis, Md. If anyone is interested here is the listing:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...-Key---Sarasota/FL/United-States#.WHToIxsrLcc

 

[SEVEN]

Looks to be well maintained. I'm always a bit leary when the don't show pictures of the motors. But this one does look clean.

 

[Byresch]

Looks to be well maintained. I'm always a bit leary when the don't show pictures of the motors. But this one does look clean.

I agree with you about the pictures of the engines. They also do not give the hours of each engine.

 

[Byresch]

I am going to look here this Friday. I will post my opinion of her after I am finished. I want to check those engine hours.

 

[Stripes]

Have fun! Good luck!

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I am going to look here this Friday. I will post my opinion of her after I am finished. I want to check those engine hours.

Engine hours on a 1975 will be very difficult to verify. If the boat has detailed logs then maybe. Otherwise, only a good engine survey will tell you much.

 

[Byresch]

Engine hours on a 1975 will be very difficult to verify. If the boat has detailed logs then maybe. Otherwise, only a good engine survey will tell you much.

Thanks for the tip, if I decide to make an offer I will make sure to follow your advice about the engine survey.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Thanks for the tip, if I decide to make an offer I will make sure to follow your advice about the engine survey.

Hobbs meters could have been replaced or stopped working at some point. Engine overhauls should have necessitated replacement of the meter, but may not have been done. You just don't know unless there are detailed logs. What it says on the meter themselves is meaningless without documentation. And even if you are sure of the hours, that does not always provide a good indication of the condition of the engines. A good survey is your best indication.

 

[Walter P]

My engine hour meters were changed when the port 6-92ta was replaced (spun a couple of mains and destroyed the block) with a new long block. The stb engine was rebuilt by DD in Montreal about 150 hrs before I bought the boat. Both hour meters were replaced with the rebuild and replacement and were wired incorrectly and never shut off. I have no idea how that could have happened but it did and my hour meters probably show about 9000 hrs which is very far from real. At the time of the port engine replacement a new 15kw generator was installed and the engine hours on the genset only show 91 hrs. Not much in more than 10 years. My point is and I agree whole heartedly with previous posts that the best and only way to be sure of engine condition is a good engine survey by a COMPETENT DD mechanic, otherwise look for a pristine boat with very bad engines and replace them with a pair of new modern Cummins or Cats. Just be sure you buy the great boat with the bad engines at a low enough price to justify the cost of new iron.

Walt

 

[Byresch]

Hobbs meters could have been replaced or stopped working at some point. Engine overhauls should have necessitated replacement of the meter, but may not have been done. You just don't know unless there are detailed logs. What it says on the meter themselves is meaningless without documentation. And even if you are sure of the hours, that does not always provide a good indication of the condition of the engines. A good survey is your best indication.

I would not buy any engine, especially a Detroit, without a good survey. When I was at Sun Harbor in SD people came in with a boat they had boat, had it surveyed, but no engine survey. The port engine was smoking badly and they wound up rebuilding the engines. I do not want to wind up doing that on any boat. The best engines I ever had, in my humble opinion, where CAT 3208 Ns. I never had any trouble with them and they purred instead of roar like Detroits.

 

[Byresch]

My engine hour meters were changed when the port 6-92ta was replaced (spun a couple of mains and destroyed the block) with a new long block. The stb engine was rebuilt by DD in Montreal about 150 hrs before I bought the boat. Both hour meters were replaced with the rebuild and replacement and were wired incorrectly and never shut off. I have no idea how that could have happened but it did and my hour meters probably show about 9000 hrs which is very far from real. At the time of the port engine replacement a new 15kw generator was installed and the engine hours on the genset only show 91 hrs. Not much in more than 10 years. My point is and I agree whole heartedly with previous posts that the best and only way to be sure of engine condition is a good engine survey by a COMPETENT DD mechanic, otherwise look for a pristine boat with very bad engines and replace them with a pair of new modern Cummins or Cats. Just be sure you buy the great boat with the bad engines at a low enough price to justify the cost of new iron.

Walt

That would be a dream come true, a pristine boat with bad engines and put new engines in it. Then I would know what I have plus still have plenty of things on my must do list and wish list. Anyone that buys a boat and thinks they won't have lists of thing to do is in for a rude awakening.

 

[Stripes]

Take care.

Good luck.

 

[Pascal]

Why the heck would you spend a couple of thousand dollars on survey if you don't have an accepted offer! It's the other way around.... make an offer, one it's accepted you do sea trial and survey. If nayrhign comes up you can reject and get your deposit back

 

[Byresch]

Why the heck would you spend a couple of thousand dollars on survey if you don't have an accepted offer! It's the other way around.... make an offer, one it's accepted you do sea trial and survey. If nayrhign comes up you can reject and get your deposit back

I do not plan to do any survey boat or engines prior to having an accepted offer on a boat. I agree that would be a waste of money.

 

[SEVEN]

That would be a dream come true, a pristine boat with bad engines and put new engines in it. Then I would know what I have plus still have plenty of things on my must do list and wish list. Anyone that buys a boat and thinks they won't have lists of thing to do is in for a rude awakening.

Ain't that the truth

 

[Pascal]

I do not plan to do any survey boat or engines prior to having an accepted offer on a boat. I agree that would be a waste of money.

I was replying to another post, now deleted

 

[Byresch]

I was replying to another post, now deleted

You did not have to delete it from here, I appreciated the advice. That is one thing about this forum if you do not think of it someone else will and comment for you.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I would not buy any engine, especially a Detroit, without a good survey. When I was at Sun Harbor in SD people came in with a boat they had boat, had it surveyed, but no engine survey. The port engine was smoking badly and they wound up rebuilding the engines. I do not want to wind up doing that on any boat. The best engines I ever had, in my humble opinion, where CAT 3208 Ns. I never had any trouble with them and they purred instead of roar like Detroits.

I bought my boat without an engine survey. That was 13 years and 1500hrs ago. The answer really is to do what you feel comfortable with. I liked how the engines started and performed and was not afraid to make the purchase but I have had many years of experience with heavy equipment. Additionally, if you can't afford to overhaul the engines, you can't afford to own the boat because even a good survey doesn't guarantee you won't end up with a catastrophic failure.

Do what you feel comfortable with and don't overlook something just because you fall in love with the boat. Step back and look at it with a critical eye. Its easy to get the bug and make a poor decision.

 

[Byresch]

I bought my boat without an engine survey. That was 13 years and 1500hrs ago. The answer really is to do what you feel comfortable with. I liked how the engines started and performed and was not afraid to make the purchase but I have had many years of experience with heavy equipment. Additionally, if you can't afford to overhaul the engines, you can't afford to own the boat because even a good survey doesn't guarantee you won't end up with a catastrophic failure.

Do what you feel comfortable with and don't overlook something just because you fall in love with the boat. Step back and look at it with a critical eye. Its easy to get the bug and make a poor decision.

I will make a concerted effort to not overlook anything because I love the boat. I think a good survey and engine survey if a must when buying any boat, my opinion. I do not have your background in heavy equipment but I have had boats with diesel engines before and cars. I also worked on diesel engines on active duty in the 1970s, could not do it anymore but remember quite a bit. I would want to do a compression check on both engines.

I agree if you can not afford to overhaul the engines or fix things on a boat you can not afford the boat. I just do not want to do it with in a couple of days, weeks, or months if I can help it. If a boat was pristine with bad engines I would buy it if I could get it at the right price to justify rebuilding the engines. On the other side if a boat had been repowered I would buy it and do the TLC needed to make it pristine.

I know from previous ownership that boats always need something done to them, you have the must do list, the when I can list, and the I wish I could list. lol

 

[Walter P]

Byron, I think you're on the right track, just remember not to fall in love with a pretty face and overlook what's really important....but you sound like an experienced buyer,,, Good luck in your quest.

Walt