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Die! Die! Die!

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I kind of wish I hadn't drained all that keel water. Prior thereto, we had slight list to port. Now, we have an obnoxious list to port because she's more buoyant now. Looks like I'll be shopping for some bagged concrete, contractors garbage bags and Gorilla tape, and then looking for some young, buff studs to wrestle them into place along the starboard side. The list is so obnoxious now that the office called to alert us that our boat might be taking on water. It's not, though. It is really, really annoying.
 
I would think you would be better off with lead.i just tore out an old shower at my moms in Pa the shower pan was 1/4" sheets of lead. I took 200 lbs of it to the scrap yard.
 
I haven't found a source yet for reasonably priced lead. Got one? From what I found, it would take a couple thousand dollars or more to get enough lead. I need a fix until we decide on an inverter system and can add another battery bank, although I'm not certain a battery bank will be the cure - I think I'll still need some ballast on the starboard side.
 
Living in the NE (NJ) we have fairly cold winters with regular freezing temps. Having the possibility of
that much water in the keel would be a major concern because a deep freeze with the boat on land for
the winter could be a disaster. I normally leave my boat in the water year round but about every 4 or
5 years we winter store on land. Many years ago while looking at a 46 C that a friend was thinking of
buying, I noticed length wise cracks in the bottom of the keel (boat was on land). Now it seems that it may have had
water in the keel which froze, expanded and cracked the glass.

Anyone have any ideas?

Walt
 
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How much weight do y need to put in? Th best deal on lead is reclaimed lead shot, that's what I used for ballast on Sabrosura $1.5 a pound, easy to handle bags. I ordered the first batch on line from a place called rotometal and I got the final batch from a place by River. It was a little more $ but convenient

Or if volume isn't a concern I have some old golf cart batteries I need to get rid of (charmer's old inverter bank)

I think that new sofa made the list worst too...
 
I was thinking about sand bags but found this site: http://www.leadwake.com/shop/ I searched bulk lead in multiple places and this site was the best I came across.

That said, a 50# bag of playground sand is about $3.00 at big orange or big blue. You can also find them in #25 bags.
 
Whatever you use for ballast make sure it's relatively easy to relocate. Since you never mentioned fixing the source of the keel water, the list will change when the keel fills up again.
 
Stuff grows and lives in sand. Not in lead.

Bags of shot are a better choice.

Patience though as Derek is right.
 
We're picking up an inverter tomorrow and will add several batteries. Hopefully, that should take care of it.
 
Keep us posted. I have the same list.

Does it help when your starboard holding tank is full? If not new batteries inboard of that tank are unlikely to help much.
 
davidwigler said:
Keep us posted. I have the same list.

Does it help when your starboard holding tank is full? If not new batteries inboard of that tank are unlikely to help much.
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Yes, a full holding tank on the starboard helps tremendously.
 
Did you find and repair the leak in the keel? If the list is worse now your issue must be above the center of gravity. Try to determine why you are listing and see if you can correct it by shifting things around. Sand may be fine for a temp fix but if you plan on making this permanent ballast, lead is the way to go. Keep in mind that 50lbs of lead is much smaller than 50lbs of sand.
 
saltshaker said:
Did you find and repair the leak in the keel? If the list is worse now your issue must be above the center of gravity. Try to determine why you are listing and see if you can correct it by shifting things around. Sand may be fine for a temp fix but if you plan on making this permanent ballast, lead is the way to go. Keep in mind that 50lbs of lead is much smaller than 50lbs of sand.
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But 50 lbs of gold is smaller yet!
 
rsmith said:
But 50 lbs of gold is smaller yet!
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and cost 5 times what the boat is worth. Maybe just keep that holding tank full and save the $1.1 mil
 
saltshaker said:
Did you find and repair the leak in the keel? If the list is worse now your issue must be above the center of gravity. Try to determine why you are listing and see if you can correct it by shifting things around. Sand may be fine for a temp fix but if you plan on making this permanent ballast, lead is the way to go. Keep in mind that 50lbs of lead is much smaller than 50lbs of sand.
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We did not find the source of water getting into the keel, and based upon how many others have said they had keel water that never came back after they drained it the first time, we’re not looking for it, either. It did not appear to be nasty sea water. It had no odor, and other than a few blobs of black goop (suspected to be rotted foam used as a mold for the layup), the water was perfectly clear. From what others have reported, this appears to be one of those Hatteras mysteries.

We’ve always had a list to port that nearly leveled out when the second holding tank (all the way starboard) was full, and no amount of moving stuff around helps - the big stuff cannot be moved. It’s common in this particular model from what I’ve heard from others and what I have personally seen when we were shopping for this model a little over 10 years ago. One of them actually had lead bricks lined along the starboard side down in the bilge, and that one sat level.

Now that the keel is drained making her a little more buoyant, the list is obnoxious and uncomfortable, and I am finally going to cure that with the addition of an inverter I’ve always wanted and a bunch of extra batteries. We picked up a Magnum 4024 over the weekend. I gotta wonder just a little bit whether Hatteras filled these keels with water on purpose. :)
 
It must have been an amazing amount of water in the keel to make that much difference. Is the list worse when the water and fuel tanks are empty rather than full? That can make a 7,000 pound difference. How much water and fuel are you carrying?
 
Nothing changed between the day we went to the yard and the day we left the yard, but the list to port was more profound when we launched to go home. Each fuel tank is about 3/4 full. Not sure how much water is onboard. I still need to drain those tanks since that water was subject to the Vikane gas. We run off of dockside water most of the time, so I've just not gotten to draining them. Been busy all last week cleaning up all the yard dust and grit.
 
Just unplug the hole and let the water back in.
 
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