?'s & ANSWERS

[Tim Powell]

Guys i am on the boat just putting paperwork in order. Started thinking. I have a tun of dollars in a 1989 52c. With a pair of DD's 892's to be exact. There is a 50c 2013 2014 just down the creek with cats. I do not know all the details it is just visiting for a while. However got to looking at mine and at that one. It is clean looking no tower yall know the look. Nine is 25 + years old and i just rebuilt the engines. Isn't it true that cats,cumings,mtu,volvos are throwaway engines as the the dock talk calls them. It being so what i am hearing they are good for about 8 to 10 thousand hours. If that is so where i just spent about 60 grand rebuilding of course i went way over the requirements of just replacing pistons. A 2 stroke owner will be spending about 300 to 400 thousand to replace. Is that correct. If so makes you wonder what they will be worth in 25 years. It would be tuff to purchase one and loose a engine or both . You can do all the engine surveys you want. But i look at a survey and the dead man on the doctors step that just had a physical the same way. Sure one can tell compression and if it smokes or not. One can not tell if it has a cracked crank or a bearing just about to come out. Buying a used boat is like owning a time bomb its going to blow you just do not know when. We are buying these old hats thinking 200 to 500 hours is low after rebuild. Well with 8000 to 10000 hours what would one expect? I guess it is just boating. But if you think it through most of the boats we own origional purchase was under 1,000,000 now these things can go for 3mil plus.
I am half way looking at 60c. The prices are all over the place. Of course engines and equipment dictate it some what. If i run up on a deal or what i would like i have a lot of sole searching to do.

 

[saltshaker]

The Cats in that boat are far from throw away engines. Most you mentioned aren't. To put it in perspective the recommended overhaul is around 10K hours on a 3406Ecand that's a top end only overhaul. 3412, C30 and C32 that you find in most 60C will run 6K hours plus when run hard, most will go longer before needing an overhaul, not replacement. Many 60C have been fished hard and very few have needed majors.

 

[Tim Powell]

The Cats in that boat are far from throw away engines. Most you mentioned aren't. To put it in perspective the recommended overhaul is around 10K hours on a 3406Ecand that's a top end only overhaul. 3412, C30 and C32 that you find in most 60C will run 6K hours plus when run hard, most will go longer before needing an overhaul, not replacement. Many 60C have been fished hard and very few have needed majors.

I do not know Jack

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/199...ght-House-Point/FL/United-States#.VvgjYBHi0hc

here is a 99 with rebuilts

 

[Tinman]

Nice looking 60C, don't think that hydraulic platform would work when fishing. Fresh rebuilds on 3412's should be good to go for years. Just sold our 50C with 3412E's, absolutely the best boat and engines I have ever owned, five years with mostly routine maintenance. Seldom see a boat ad with overhauled 3412 Cats.

 

[Boatsb]

I do not know Jack

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/199...ght-House-Point/FL/United-States#.VvgjYBHi0hc

here is a 99 with rebuilts

It's a pretty boat inside and out. It would be interesting to know how many hours on the engines before the rebuild. If they ran 500 or so hours a year its possible they had 7 to 10k hours. I'd say if she's well cared for and in great shape she may be worth it but I do like the enclosed bridge.

 

[jim rosenthal]

I have not owned boats with those engines, but my friends in MD who have sold Cats for decades tell me that the 3406 and 3412s are the best engines that Cat has ever made. They are not throwaways by any means, according to them. The same things were said about 3208s, and their shop has rebuilt them, too, over the years- they are one of the most popular workboat engines on the Chesapeake Bay. I think Cat's reputation was badly hurt by the 3116, 3126, 3176 and 3196 engines. They seem to have worked hard to rebuild their name- and some of their products were good all along.

I don't think Cummins engines are throwaways, either. The other ones, I can't speak to.

Realistically, any parent-bore engine can be called a throwaway because you can't replace the cylinders as easily as you can in a DD. But I own two Packards, built in 1938 and 1941, and they are both parent-bore engines. And no one would call them throwaways.

 

[saltshaker]

The 60C is a great boat but like I said earlier, many have been run hard and are tired. Those are the ones you see at the low end of the market but still not cheap. I doubt you'll find anything under 600K that will be up to your standards. Keep what you have or keep looking for a deal on a 50C. The operating cost will be less than the 60C or your boat.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Interesting combination of outriggers and large swim deck with dinghy on it. This would make it difficult to fish with this boat, I would think.