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[Pascal]

If indeed they dropped a fin as indicated by one of the crew, figure 3' below WL and a 3" shaft, that would be 300gpm or 18 000 GPH. That's a lot more that most pumps can handle but if caught early with indicator lights, you have a chance to stuff something in th hole and reduce flow to something the pumps can handle till the cavalry arrives. Once you have too much water with stuff floating around, good luck even getting to the hole.

 

[Walter P]

Pascal is correct.... When I was in the Navy, all hands were trained at least in very basic damage control. Of course there were those that had much more training and they were usually in charge of the damage control party. My recollection (which was a long time ago when we still had wooden ships and iron men) was that anything available to cover the hole, presumably from enemy fire, was used. I remember that mattresses were even used, braced with 4 x 4's. It wasn't intended to stop the leak, just to slow it down enough for the bilge pumps to keep up. I keep a supply of tapered plugs aboard just for that reason as I'm sure most of you folks do. Whatever, monday morning quarterbacking is easy when the pressure is off.

Walt

 

[Boatsb]

Plugs are great. So are tee shirts. There is no excuse for it not being noticed for so long. Somethings fishy with this and the insurance company is probably thinking the same way.

 

[dottieshusband]

I just got off an 86 footer that had the normal DC bilge pumps plus each 3512e Cat had their own crank pulley belly driven trash pumps. I don't know their capacity, but they had 2 plus inch hoses. Last summer, I was on a 136 foot Christiansen that had 5 water tight compartments.... I just can't believe that a "10 million dollar" yacht was that poorly thought out, especially an "expedition" type build.... Unless it was designed for a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!

 

[Boatsb]

I just got off an 86 footer that had the normal DC bilge pumps plus each 3512e Cat had their own crank pulley belly driven trash pumps. I don't know their capacity, but they had 2 plus inch hoses. Last summer, I was on a 136 foot Christiansen that had 5 water tight compartments.... I just can't believe that a "10 million dollar" yacht was that poorly thought out, especially an "expedition" type build.... Unless it was designed for a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!

Did they get the flying sub off before she sank?

 

[saltshaker]

My boat came from the factory with an engine driven pump. Pretty sure it's 2.5" with a length of house so you can place the suction end where you want it. find it hard to believe they wouldn't have something similar or at least crash valves on the intakes so the engines can pump the bilges.

 

[Boatsb]

My boat came from the factory with an engine driven pump. Pretty sure it's 2.5" with a length of house so you can place the suction end where you want it. find it hard to believe they wouldn't have something similar or at least crash valves on the intakes so the engines can pump the bilges.

Exactly why I say the crew let it happen. I've not seen a passage maker that did not have the crash pumps and means to close breaches in the hull. I'm sure the owner will get his $10 million and people like us will get increased insurance costs.

 

[rsmith]

Who's to say the crew weren't a bunch of idiots.

 

[Pascal]

I would imagine a boat that size had properly designed high water alarms and oump indicators but in smaller boats incl our hatts we have no indication that the system is in a ready state Power to the bilge pumps or alarms could be off for some reason but a dead man, I mean a dead light, tales no tell.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I also think that the standard hatteras multi alarm systems don't tell you which compartment is flooded, do they?

When I set up the pump panel on my boat a few weeks ago, I included a green LED next to each CB for the 6 bilge pumps, 2 sumps and for the high water alarm At a glance I know right away that each system in ready.

It s really easy to setup and could save your boat as very second counts

 

[MikeP]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I also think that the standard hatteras multi alarm systems don't tell you which compartment is flooded, do they? "

That is correct. The high water sensors just trigger an alarm and there is no indication of WHICH sensor is involved. OTOH, On our 1980 53MY, the 4 OEM bilge pumps do have lights at both helms that come on if that bilge pump is activated and, if operating correctly, the pump will cycle before the high water alarm level is reached so, in theory, a bilge pump light will tell you where the problem is anyway, and before the high water alarm will.

 

[rsmith]

I don't think there is any question this modern mega had a complete alarm system. It's more like some one was asleep at the switch. Some years ago K Hovnanian the big developer built a 125' mega sport fish first offshore trip. Idiots all went to sleep with no watch and left the watertight door to the cockpit open. All it took was a couple waves in the cockpit to put it on the bottom.

 

[rsmith]

I don't think there is any question this modern mega had a complete alarm system. It's more like some one was asleep at the switch. Some years ago K Hovnanian the big developer built a 125' mega sport fish first offshore trip. Idiots all went to sleep with no watch and left the watertight door to the cockpit open. All it took was a couple waves in the cockpit to put it on the bottom.

Here ya go. Oh yeah 92 was the big S&L crisis. The so fla boat yards were full of repoed boats at the time.lol


http://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/15/nyregion/6-rescued-after-bulletproof-ship-goes-down.html


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[Boatsb]

42 hatt repower. Has the crash pump installed.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Is that a lever that turns the clutch on to run it, or is it remote on solenoid or something like that?

 

[capttonyf]

I just got off an 86 footer that had the normal DC bilge pumps plus each 3512e Cat had their own crank pulley belly driven trash pumps. I don't know their capacity, but they had 2 plus inch hoses. Last summer, I was on a 136 foot Christiansen that had 5 water tight compartments.... I just can't believe that a "10 million dollar" yacht was that poorly thought out, especially an "expedition" type build.... Unless it was designed for a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!

86' and 3512 CATS. You must have been on the 86 Convertible that was previously named "Bodacious, and Barbara Dean". What is she called now, and not to get personal, but what were you doing on her? I remember when she was new and use to spend a lot of time at Pier 66. Does it still have it's impressive set of Khalenberg Horns. I got the chance to go on a few sea trials on it years and years ago. Was an impressive boat.

Tony

 

[rsmith]

I just got off an 86 footer that had the normal DC bilge pumps plus each 3512e Cat had their own crank pulley belly driven trash pumps. I don't know their capacity, but they had 2 plus inch hoses. Last summer, I was on a 136 foot Christiansen that had 5 water tight compartments.... I just can't believe that a "10 million dollar" yacht was that poorly thought out, especially an "expedition" type build.... Unless it was designed for a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!

Without training and the brains to use it equiptment is worthless

 

[Boatsb]

Is that a lever that turns the clutch on to run it, or is it remote on solenoid or something like that?

Its a pull rod on the lever. The pump is outboard and the pull rod handle in center by the access hatch

 

[dottieshusband]

86' and 3512 CATS. You must have been on the 86 Convertible that was previEverglades d "Bodacious, and Barbara Dean". What is she called now, and not to get personal, but what were you doing on her? I remember when she was new and use to spend a lot of time at Pier 66. Does it still have it's impressive set of Khalenberg Horns. I got the chance to go on a few sea trials on it years and years ago. Was an impressive boat.

Tony

It wasn't a Hatt. It was a 2001 Monte Fino 86. Named Andiamo. It was moved from Knoxville to Port Everglades, FLL. I would have rather been on Barbra Dean!

 

[capttonyf]

It wasn't a Hatt. It was a 2001 Monte Fino 86. Named Andiamo. It was moved from Knoxville to Port Everglades, FLL. I would have rather been on Barbra Dean!

Ahhhh, that explains it. LOL. For the record, I agree with you. I'd rather been on Barbara Dean as well, Awesome boat.

Tony