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Crossing to BeeHoms 53 Motor yacht vs 53 Sportfish

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Ok, who has done this in both hulls in equal nasty waves/wind?

My guess, 53 MY feels tippy and dangerous, SF blasts through it much better, but not fun either. Yes, no?
 
The 53MY isn't tippy at all as long as you have stabilizers that work.:cool:
 
Either will be fine or down right scary, it all depends on the waves. You need to be more specific on what you consider nasty winds and waves. The 53SF will outperform the 53MY in all regards but the 53MY is still a great sea boat.
 
Ok, no stabs on MY, typically winter "standing waves" in the stream. Boat to boat comparison.

My guess is that the SF can cross OK in 8 footers, but the MY would be scary, and the last time doing that for wifey.

Also curious how the 53 YF (no stabs) would fare, my guess is halfway between the other two.
 
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Look at the enter of gravity and there is no question. Add in the fact that the passengers are usually 3 feet or more lower in a SF than a MY and the answer is clear.

jack is right. They are both good sea boats but the SF is made to handle more than the MY.
 
I've been to this slugfest before.
1- the higher the center of gravity the the more the boat will roll
2- you mostly only see stabs on MY's and gen1 60c's (their is a reason for this DUH)
3- 8' seas most people don't even have a clue. I've stood in the cockpit and never lost sight of the horizon on days when people were estimating the wave height at 8+ NOT!
4- true 8' seas will probably result in an insurance claim
5-if its not screwed down it will become a projectile and break something else.
 
I don't know the area he's talking about, but maybe the trick here is to make the trip at a different time of year?
 
the trick is to wait for a window... even in winter, the timing of the front is such that usually if you wait a couple of days you will get decent conditions with the winds clocking away from the north and turning more easterly.

when heading into waves, as often the case when crossing into easterly wind, both the 53C or the 53MY will shine thanks to their fine, wave cutting bow. The price we pay for this is a small cramped bow stateroom.

i find that rolling around happens more often when returning and you get waves off the stbd stern, so in these conditions a 53C will be easier to handle due to the lower CG. the MY will be ok although stabs would help, usually in these conditions you can forget the AP and have to hand steer.

further down the bahamas, crossing the bank to the berrys, is an easy run although can be choppy, usually with waves on the bow in which again both boats will do equally well. between the Berrys and Nassau, you often have a mix of easterly waves and some swells from the NE, it can be a long 40nm but again nothing a 24 delay usually won't cure.

Chris, you've been on Charmer, despite the almost 20' i can tell you that CG affects the ride! with a skylounge, Waverunner, 15' rib and a pair of spare 36" props, that's a lot of weight up top and it can be a handful :(
 
rsmith: I have been in NOAA reported 8 foot plus waves in my 30 foot gofast coming back from Nantucket and also in Hurricane Kyle off NYC. Yep. some stuff shook loose, and were not operating as a gofast in those conditions, but we made it. Forty foot sloops we passed were pitching so badly I thought anyone in the rear cockpit would be thrown right off the boats. Some inlets can get at least five footers with no problem,

Pascal: Dan's reports of waiting for two months to cross to the BeeHoms prompted my question. I hope to be crossing frequently in the winters ahead and want the right boat for that, I definitely do not want to be waiting two months for a weather window. Hence I think a SF is a better boat for my needs than a yachtfish. I am now liking the old 12N two stateroom 53Sf model. Thoughts?
 
...I am now liking the old 12N two stateroom 53Sf model. Thoughts?
Good for you. That is the least desirable of the 53C's. Prices on the 53C's are real low. 2 stateroom boats are tough to sell and most buyers want the 12V71TI boats. Use that to your advantage. You should be able to pick one up pretty cheap.
 
Yep, no turbos to go wrong, lots of weight for stability with a tower, and tugboat engines should out live me. <gg>
 
Crossing conditions are not always the same up in palm beach compared to what they are further south, Miami to Bimini. I monitor conditions almost daily, especially in winter and very often you see a mention of higher seas off palm beach and st lucie. Passagemaker.com maps often show smaller seas down here as well. Windows between fronts can be narrow, 1 to 2 days, but often shorter or non existent 70nm north
 
Plus you get a huge master stateroom, if I recall right. Since there are only two. As a matter of fact, you could probably put my entire Hatteras in the master. Or at least the dinghy.
 
I am usually more concerned with the period rather than the height. It also depends on the direction. Last month we crossed in 6' at 6 sec but the seas were on our aft so it was no problem. Once the period is less than or equal to the seas then you are in for a pretty crappy ride. I would not have made the crossing with beam seas and a head sea would have been questionable(for the crew, not the boat). I have crossed and found the stream with 10' seas but they were 15 seconds apart and on our rear quarter. So, while spooky, it is doable.

Crossing is sketchy if:
Seas are more than 6' and the period is less than 1.5 times wave height.
If wind with a Northerly component is 18 knots or greater.
 
Very interesting points Pascal and thoward.

Jim, I believe you are thinking of the 53 yachtfish with two staterooms, and yes the master is huge
on that boat. I was thinking that is the ideal boat (4 feet draft vs 5 on the 58), but concerns of
needing stabs make me look kindly on the plain old 53SF, way cheaper and more capable.

But what Pascal just said, makes me reevaluate everything again. <gg> .
 
SEEMS YOUVE BEEN RE-EVALUATING FOR A LONG TIME. WHY DON'T YOU GET HOLD OF SPORTFISH 45 AND GET HIS STABILITY REPORTS THAT HE CLAIMED TO HAVE AND NEVER POSTED.




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Posts:267rolly Hats offshore, 60 E.B. vs 53
Ok, plan to sit offshore in the deep blue for days at a time. Some concerns about the 60 EB being a bit top heavy and rolly at rest in the Briney deep.

Advantages of an enclosed bridge are obvious in that situation. But, the old school 53 sportfish has many say it is really the best offshore, not as rolly even with a very high tower attached. Ok, in 3 to 4 foot seas, maybe 5 to 6s, how much does a 53 roll at rest with a tower vs a 60 with a half tower??

Speak up please, those who can compare the two.
 
Yes, and prices continue to fall, fall, fall, fall. When prices and the economy, start a serious recovery, that is the time to buy.

I have seen enough ads with 60 foot EBs and stabs to tell me all I need to know. I have never seen a53 SF with stabs advertised. Sez all. Also, liking the 4 foot draft of a 53SF more and more.
 
SEEMS YOUVE BEEN RE-EVALUATING FOR A LONG TIME. WHY DON'T YOU GET HOLD OF SPORTFISH 45 AND GET HIS STABILITY REPORTS THAT HE CLAIMED TO HAVE AND NEVER POSTED.




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Posts:267rolly Hats offshore, 60 E.B. vs 53
Ok, plan to sit offshore in the deep blue for days at a time. Some concerns about the 60 EB being a bit top heavy and rolly at rest in the Briney deep.

Advantages of an enclosed bridge are obvious in that situation. But, the old school 53 sportfish has many say it is really the best offshore, not as rolly even with a very high tower attached. Ok, in 3 to 4 foot seas, maybe 5 to 6s, how much does a 53 roll at rest with a tower vs a 60 with a half tower??

Speak up please, those who can compare the two.


Wow 2 years down the road and your still thinking about this? If your going to keep losing sleep over it at least get your facts straight. I never claimed to have the stability data I said I spoke to Hatt about it and reported what they said.
 
Wow 2 years down the road and your still thinking about this? If your going to keep losing sleep over it at least get your facts straight. I never claimed to have the stability data I said I spoke to Hatt about it and reported what they said.

Well Hyper is still asking and you never posted any #'s just some "sombody said" stuff. Cmon lets see those reports!!! Inquiring minds want to know.
 
As I said I don't have them I never did nor did I ever say that I did. I remember some one posting that the thread was discussed in Hatteras school maybe he can let us know what was said?
 

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