Outer Reef 65

[OBXTucker]

Is it just me, or do these look remarkably similar?

Either way, timeless designs....

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Many of the modern trawlers look like Jack Hargraves original LRCs. You can see similarities with the 42, 48, and 58 in many of the newer boats. Look at this Mainship v. the 42 LRC.

 

[GJH]

Jeff the boat in your bottom picture is better constructed and has a nicer aft deck arrangement. We had occasion to spend some time on two OR 65s and they are very nice boats, but a tad below older Hatteras in fit and finish and quality of materials.

 

[Pascal]

Big difference is that the Hatt is a true flushdeck whereas on the OR (like Flemings, Marlows, etc ) the saloon and aft side deck is a couple of step down. Less room down below, but lower CG and less rolling

 

[SeaEric]

Big difference is that the Hatt is a true flushdeck whereas on the OR (like Flemings, Marlows, etc ) the saloon and aft side deck is a couple of step down. Less room down below, but lower CG and less rolling

Not the Outer Reef that I was recently aboard. It was a flush deck boat. The interior arrangement is somewhat similar to the 58 LRC but the ER is accessed from the MSR, which is mid-ships fwd of the ER and then there is a crew qtrs aft of the ER. Pretty nice boat, but not the quality of your boat Jeff, for more than triple the $$.

 

[Walter P]

I agree that they sure look similar, but as they say imitation is a great compliment. It is interesting that it was stated that the fit, finish etc are not up to the same quality level at the much older Hatteras. Now let's see........ If I find an older Hatteras that has a sound structure (should be not a problem), has worn out engines, generators etc. etc... in short a project boat, I can possibly (probably) build a much better boat for a bunch less sheckels. Even going so far as to gut the entire interior including wood, electric, plumbing and of course all soft goods, just imagine the boat you can have. The only way for such a project to make sense however is only if you have very deep pockets and/or plan to keep the boat for many years.

A classic Hargrave/Hatteras is timeless and just like a beautiful piece of artwork from bygone days or some classic music (not necessarily classical music) it really never just gets old.

As much as I love my present 1982 48' MY, I don't think that I would be able to enjoy it long enough to justify the cost of a complete rebuild at this stage of my life in my mid 70's. If I was 15 or 20 years younger, I would consider it. Imagine having a "new Hatteras" with a 30 year old hull and house but with all state of the art mechanicals and electrics etc.....

Walt

 

[OBXTucker]

Walt, I'm proud to say the Kismet (in the first picture above) is slowly going through the transition you discuss. No, I won't change out the engines or wiring, but pretty much everything else either has been (or is in the process of being) modernized. Electronics, a/v equipment, appliances, cameras, heads, bowthruster, galley, pilothouse, flybridge, furnishings, searchlight, radios, etc, etc.

This winter, we're refinishing all exterior teak (and uncovering some that was Awlgripped over many moons ago), as well as repairing every exterior crack, split and blemish. She'll look great come springtime and we'll be proud to show her off at OpSail 2012 this summer!

Definitely a labor of love, but the classic LRC's deserve it and fortunately garner a lot of respect at every port.

 

[Vincentc]

Plus,
I like the white (Hatteras Off White) hull much better.

Regards,

 

[Walter P]

Jeff,

I saw your boat a couple of years ago at the HOF gathering at Solomon's Island and it looked outstanding at that time. It will be a pleasure to see it again when you get done with all your work. Your boat is a perfect example of why an older Hatteras in great condition is still much better than a new imitation. Unfortunately the general boating public are ignorant of this fact but the funny thing is that whenever a well preserved or restored Hatteras cruises into the harbor, all eyes are on her.

Walt

 

[Glory]

Jeff, when the OR 65 is is 20 years, the newest your LRC can be, that would be the time to compare.

Good luck with the LRC project.

JM

 

[jim rosenthal]

Does the Outer Reef have a Portuguese bridge like yours does, Jeff? Because if it does not, I'd say that is a serious design deficiency for an offshore passagemaker. I can't tell in the photos.

Class tells. I'd rather have the Hatteras LRC any day of the week. No contest.

 

[Walter P]

Jeff,

The more I think about your boat, the better I like it. I checked out your model on the brochures archives and noticed that they claim a 3000 mi range @9 knots. Considering that according to the brochure your model holds 2300 gals of fuel and if you used every drop to do the 3000 miles, it would consume only 7.5 gph. Since you can't get to use every drop (or gal), I will assume a usable amount of fuel of 90% which comes out to 2,070 gals. Divide 3000 into that and it comes out to less than 7 gph. Are my figures correct or did I screw them up. If my calculations are correct, I am really impressed more and more. My 1982 Series I MY burns more than that at 9 knots.

Walt

 

[OBXTucker]

Walt,
Your figures are pretty accurate, but we don't see quite that good of performance.
30 + years of adding stuff has taken its toll. Currently, she's a rather pudgy 52 tons (weighed at the last haul out). Add to that larger than original gensets (twin 20Kw's) and we're getting more like 10 gph at 7.5 knots average (total consumption). We could probably do much better at 6 knots, but normally "need" to go a little faster to make bridge openings, fishing grounds, dinner reservations, etc.

I'll try to document the renovations a little better going forward and keep everyone posted here. Thanks to all for the comments!