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Winterizing fresh water 53MY blow out vs. FWAnti Freeze

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Hello All, Looking for comments advice on winterizing FW System on my 53MY. I keep her in water, block heaters and Cruisair with auto controls @ 50 deg. Have for years used the fresh water anti freeze but takes many gallons to maintain pressure and prime and getting real tired of the taste and smell in the spring. Intend to use air pressure to blow the freshwater system out this year. Suspect I will drain the two tanks, then pump out what I can until the pump looses prime then start on the boat side of the galley maid pump and blow each line out individually, addressing all inside faucets, bow faucet, windshield washers and aft bar faucet. I will drain the hot water tank 20gal also. What did I miss. Any comments, tips suggestions ?? Thanks Capt Woody
 
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Ted
 
Don't take a chance - use the antifreeze! It takes about 40 Gal to do our 53 - just bite the bullet and do it!. A year or two ago Dr Jim (Rosenthal) used compressed air to winterize and ended up with a ruptured water line. He posted on that a while back. I had been thinking about using compressed air instead of AF but his post convinced me NOT to do it.

It just so happens that a friend in Stamford just bought a 53 and asked me for some FW winterizing info. Yesterday I emailed him and what follows is the text of what I sent him. Perhaps it will help:

As usual, took 40Gal of antifreeze for winterizing. I tried to get by with 6 cases - 36 gal but I needed to buy another case to finish it off! First I drain the water heater by turning the valves on top so that water can't be pumped into it and will bypass it - there should be 3 valves on the tank lines. One valve lets cold water in, one lets hot water out, and the third allows the water from the pump to bypass the tank completely. I turn the in/outs "off" and the bypass to open (it's normally closed) Then I release the overflow valve on the heater and open the drain fitting on the bottom through a hose and directly to the seachest and overboard. That will take quite a while just let it drain and move to other things.

Then drain all the water out of the water tank(s) by running the taps. (This can be going on at the same time the water heater is draining.) Then, when the pump can't pull any more water, I shut off the pump and the valve in the line from the tank to the pump. Our boat has a series of valves in the system that allows me to isolate the section from the pump forward and from the pump back. there are also two additional vlaves that allow a hose to be attached to the system. Then I fill a 5 gal bucket with antifreeze, connect the hose to the pump intake side and drop the other end in the bucket. Let the system pressurize again and simply turn on the taps in succesion until the pink stuff comes out - checking to keep sufficient a-freeze in the bucket.

Once the water heater has drained, close the drain valve and open the water input valve to the heater. Close the "popoff" valve that you opened to allow the water to drain. Close the bypass valve. Antifreeze from the bucket/pump will now start flowing into the water heater. Open the drain valve and, when pink stuff shows up - it should quite quickly - you can close the water heater drain valve. You're done with this part!

If you winterized the engine's RW side when you changed the oil by connecting a bucket of antifreeze to the seacock or intake hose - your've already taken care of the following. If not:

When that's done, I close the engine RW intake seacock, remove the Zinc plug on the front of the engine overflow tank. This plug is in the RAW Water side of the system. A regular garden hose fitting can screw into it. Connect a water hose from the engine room fresh water connection to the engine. Fill your antifreeze bucket again and, adding a-freeze as needed, run 8-10 gal of a-freeze into the engine RW system. This will ensure enough gets into the exhaust and muffler to prevent any freezing problems. Do this on both engines. Leaving the seacock valve closed, open the top of the seacock and ensure there is some antifreeze in there. If not, pour a little in - doesn't need much.

The genny will also have a fitting on the RW side somewhere that may or may not take a garden hose fitting - you may have to find a proper sized hose fitting. Close the seacock, attach the engine room hose and run a couple of gallons into the system. Same thing - if there's none in the seacock, pour a little in.

Make sure you allow the fridge/icemaker to run so antifreeze can get into those lines as well. I leave the water system pressurized with the antifreeze bucket in place overnight. Then, the next day you can release all the pressure and switch off the water pump. Pour 4-5 gallons of afreeze into the Fresh water tank OR, using the same set up you did for everything else, if you have a valve system that allows you to isolate the tank feed AND connect a hose to it, you can simply pump antifreeze backwards into the tank..

If you have the standard Galley Maid Raw Water heads (I don't remember if you do or not) close the INTAKE seacock for all of them. Pour 2 gallons of afreeze into each head and flush it until there is nothing standing in the bowl. Pour in another gallon and do it again. The seacock tops should be opened and some afreeze poured in or they can be left open. If you have valves on the seacock that allow you to connect a hose, you can hook that up and flush the toilet normally which will pull the antifreeze in and you won't have to worry about adding any to the seacock basket.
 
MikeP said:
As usual, took 40Gal of antifreeze for winterizing. I tried to get by with 6 cases - 36 gal but I needed to buy another case to finish it off! First I drain the water heater by turning the valves on top so that water can't be pumped into it and will bypass it - there should be 3 valves on the tank lines. One valve lets cold water in, one lets hot water out, and the third allows the water from the pump to bypass the tank completely. I turn the in/outs "off" and the bypass to open (it's normally closed) Then I release the overflow valve on the heater and open the drain fitting on the bottom through a hose and directly to the seachest and overboard. That will take quite a while just let it drain and move to other things...........

Wouldn't it be much easier to move to a warmer climate? :D
 
Wouldn't it be much easier to move to a warmer climate?

Yes, it would and we are - to Mexico in 3 weeks! Unfortunately the boat will remain here in LI for this winter but this will be the last one it will ever face (at least as long as we own it)! :D
 
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Here, in the NE, there really are not any shortcuts that you can rely on. I've always fully winterized whether in the water or out. Even if I run some heat onboard, I still fully winterize. I've watched others chase the leaks after a surprisingly cold winter or when the air missed a low spot.

I would rather be sipping my Bombay Sapphire with ice from my ice maker than be chasing leaks in the freshwater system! :cool:

K
 
I've always done the reverse on my boats, vaccummed out the last traces of water. Never had a problem, but you need to be careful to open and vacuum the lines in sequence from the souce. Last five years we have run the boat south so am forgetting the details ;)

Bob
 
Captainwoody:

You can winterize your 53MY with about 12 gallons of "red pop" anti freeze (you need to by-pass your water heater; and drain it). Take the hose off of the copper fitting (let the tanks drain) in the master stateroom closet, attach a hose from a 5 gallon plastic bucket with a thru hull fittting mounted in reverse at the bottom (a sump), fill the bucket with red pop and start the galley maid pump, then just run the red pop into each circuit including all faucets, the icemaker, dishwasr etc. You will re-fill the bucket about 2.5 times to be thorough. I blow out the lines with compressed air via the freshwater dockside fittings (be sure to do both sides). PM me if you want and I will give you my phone number to walk you thru it. I can do our boat by myself in about an hour or so using this method.

DC
 
There is supposed to be a way to winterize the system using compressed air. I have never found it. As Mike indicated, when I tried it, a line ruptured from water standing in it. I was lucky that it happened in a place I could get to- there are copper water lines in a Hatteras 36 that would be VERY difficult to get to and would require pulling new copper through those areas...

Even when you pump the system dry using the FW pump, and drain the water heater, after you put the pink stuff into the tank and pump it through, it comes out the faucets somewhat diluted. There is a lot of standing water in the system even when it is supposedly empty, and that is what got me.
 
I would consider cutting in 1 or more low point drains, a hot water heater by-pass and open all the sink taps and deck fills to to vent. If you have a pressure regulator you may want to break the line and drain that. I redid all the nylon tubing on my Roamer 20 years ago like this with copper and have NEVER had a frozen line. Forget the air; too big of a chance of water trickling down and accumulating.
I only need a couple of gallons of the pink for the macerator (open all OB drains and leave open) potable water pump/accululater, and shower sumps.
Plumbing in a low point drain can be done with flare or compression fittings and 2 gate valves (hot and cold).
 
DC - I assume that when you say you can winterize a 53 on 12 gal of AF, you are referring ONLY to winterizing the FW system. Each engine takes nearly that much to ensure protection of the RW intake/exhaust/muffler. As I said in my post I've never been able to do the entire boat on much less than 40 gal.

Obviously if the boat is in a salt water and in an area where the winter temps don't stay below 25F or so for extended periods, it's probably not necessary to run AF through the RW since SW doesn't freeze until around 21F. If the SW is diluted with a fair bit of fresh - rivers close by - then its freezing temp goes up.

I've occasionally thought that if might not be necessary to winterize the SW system here (Long Island) but Northport Bay sometimes freezes over in the winter...
 
Hi Mike......The thread is called "Winterizing freshwater 53MY blow out vs. FW anti Freeze"....I assumed (possibly wrongfully) that Captainwoody was referring to the fresh water system, not engines etc. That is a different topic.

DC
 
You could use Cheap Rotgut vodka to winterize your FW system. I did it once, I deemed it unnecessary as I do not drink the water from my tankand I am convinced Montazuma lives there anyway.
 
40 gallon of a/freeze :confused: . I use 18 galllons total on my 43. I run 6 gallon through each engine. I use a bucket and I place the the hose off the strainer into a bucket. I drain the hot water tank and add a by pass line. While that drains I take the fresh water hose off of the head input and pump a 1/2 gallon in each the head (2). I pump the fresh water tank till empty. I add 2 gallon of a/f to the fresh water holding tank. Charge the system with the boat water pump until I have a/f to the first faucet. I shut off the pump. I then add a small 110 volt pump to the city water input. I then charge the lines with a/f. and systematically turn on the faucet furthest from the supply until I get a/f. I then do the rest of the faucets the same way. During this time I leave the ice maker on until I get pink in the tray and I'm done. I have never had a line on the boat freeze up. I would NEVER ,NEVER blow air or vacuum a boat dry. I have done this to a cottage for 50 years and we still have the occasional busted line. You can never get all the water out in the short time you have air on the lines. You can not have enough air volume to blow all the water from the lines. The air will blow through the water leaving a small amount behind to gather and puddle some place. That has been my experience. But I'm not always correct. :D


Bill
 
I like to ensure that some AF gets into the mufflers. In our 53, the collectors hold 5-6 gallons of standing water so to get enough AF to pump through the eng, displace the water in the collecters and get some into the muffs takes about 12 gal per engine.

I put 5-6 gallons in the FW tanks after I have winterized all the systems- I frankly don't know how much water is unusable below the pickup but I suspect that with 287gal capacity, there's at least 20 gal of water in them that cannot be pumped out. Plus you need to be ABSOLUTELY sure you have enough in there to ensure the crossover pipe between the two water tanks is adequately protected.

As I said in my lengthy post - I don't think you can winterize a 53MY to bulletproof status on much less than 40 gal. But hey, we all do what we're comfortable doing and what has proven to work!

I do know people in the marina that use a grand total of maybe a case (6 gal) of AF and compressed air to blow it through everything. But as we have discussed - I wouldn't do it.
 
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You sound about right for your boat Mike. Your system is a lot larger than mine, that's for sure. You do it just about like me. Just that 40 gallon just seems like a lot. Like you said. You need to do what is best for the boat and YOUR piece of mind through the winter. There is nothing like a damn water leak in the spring because you shorted yourself on a gallon of anti-freeze.


BILL
 
Antifreeze is fullproof, compressed air blow out is not.

On my 48 YF, I installed a TEE fitting with a valve, one each side, between my fresh water tank and my fresh water system pump. One side of the tee goes the the fresh water tank, for normal in season use, the other to a hose for use with antifreeze for cold weather storage. Another pair of TEEs at the hot water heater can permit you to drain your hot water heater, then pump antifreeze thru the bypass to all fawcets. This minimizes use of antifreeze to a few gallons for all lines. As noted above, just open each fawcet in turn until antifreeze appears.

My yard just pumps fresh water tanks as dry as possible for wet storage. I don't like that, especially for a winter haul out, so I'd rather drill a hole low in the water tank and epoxy in a drain valve/petcock or similar for draining the water tank for winter storage.
 
Antifreeze is fullproof, compressed air blow out is not.

I use air plus the AF you use a lot less because it won't be dilluted. I blow everything out drain and bypass water heater then pump AF thru, then blow it out again. I like the least amount of AF in the system and in the spring flush with water and bleach then water and system is fresh and clean :D .
 

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