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Tranny oil level

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43' DOUBLE CABIN (1970 - 1984)
Ok,
My port transmission is at the "low" level on the stick.
I went thru my manual- Detroit Diesel 6-71 Naturals and all it states is that I use the same 40w oil as in the engine itself (heck, even I knew that much).
Figured I could just add a small bit at a time till it gets back to normal, but that would be too easy.
Besides, we plan on going for a short cruise in the morning.
As we all know, when the dip stick on our cars/trucks show low, its a quart of oil.... How much is it when the diesel tranny is at the low level?
 
Does it show low when the tranny is cold?

If it does, I'd say you're WAY low as mine reads over the full mark when cold. According to the manual, it's supposed to read higher when cold.
 
Charlie

are you checking cold? if you're at the minimum cold, you probably need to add 1/2 gallon, assuming you have the same allisons i have (M20 ?)

tranny level is supposed to be checked at idle and warm... when i check cold, i usually see about 1/2" above the full mark.
 
Was done while after running about 10 mins, at idle
 
Is it running when you check it?
 
Was done while after running about 10 mins, at idle


Charlie, I am not sure that you can get the gear oil up to operating temerature while sitting at the dock at idle. The level needs to be checked with the engine at idle but the gear oil temp should be at or very close to operating temp to get an accurate reading on the stick.

Hope this helps!
 
"Was done while after running about 10 mins, at idle"

then add a quart and see where it goes next time you run the boat, but it shoudl be good start.
 
Glad I read this thread. I have just finished changing the oil and filters in my M-15s over the last couple of days. With the weather in NJ right now being fairly mild (40 - 59 F) I assumed that running the engines at idle in the slip with extra lines and the transmissions in gear was enough to get some temp up. The drain oil from the transmissions was cool to the touch while the engine oil was warm, not hot. All this after letting them run for about 15 minutes and moving a bunch of water around the docks.

Does anyone think I can do any damage come spring when I take her out for a run if the oil is a little low? Last year while tooling around NY harbor with some guests aboard, my starboard trans lost pressure and upon inspection, the trans dip stick showed foamy oil. I added about a gallon of 40 w and got it to the F line and it worked fine. The culprit was that the oil filter canister was leaking badly around the gasket at the top. A couple of grunts with a wrench stopped the leak. Although the manuals say you can run the same oil for several years in the transmissions, I was afraid that it may have been compromised by running a bit low. Any opinions.........

Walt
 
When they get low, they just won't shift. As long as they're close, you shouldn't have any problem or cause any damage.
 
Over-filling can be worse than not quite enough. You'll damage the clutch plate according to the manual.
 
When I bought the 48MY a couple of years ago I had a DD mechanic change all the fluids and filters so I could see how it is done and what the tricks are. The mechanic filled the M15's by volume, two gallons each, started the engines the levels came right up to the marks. I let them cool overnight and checked the levels (way above the marks) and set this as the cold mark. I now fill to that mark if I need oil or use it as the check level during the pre-start ER check.

Bob
 
Smart. I will be doing the same thing in the spring...having a mechanic do a full change of all fluids & filters while I watch. Great idea on marking the proper "cold" spot on the dipsticks for prestart checking.
 
You didn't say what kind of reverse gears you have. My 6-71's have Capitol Gears and the oil levels are checked with the engine NOT running. I have a manual for them and will send you a copy if you need one.
Will
 
Good point will. I think we all assumed the same. There is at least 4 types of transmissions on these and they all have a few differences.
 
On my Allison's over 22-years, I've seen a few problems...
The foamy, questionable level readings.
The slow shifting (like a 5 to 10 second delay) going into gear.
Even slipping badly at 2100 rpm .......... and overheating and blowing oil out of the filler cap
etc.

Finally, I removed the pump to see if I could find some issue ............ cleaned up the pressure regulator and components and then reset the pressure to 150 psi at 2100

THEN.......... found that for years someone prior to me had a totally incorrect shift cable setting. The trannie lever never went fully into gear and was skewed toward the reverse detent...... So, I found that moving the linkage to the next lower hole to get a lot more throw on that small shift lever made a huge difference.

After years of a worsening delay, I figured I had def. burned and scored the flywheel and clutch plate and hurt the large piston seal and made it hard and stiff or something ............ but, no, everything cleared up nicely over 10 or 20 hours of subsequent shifting.

My point to all of you .......... don't ever assume that great mechanic is infallable. Especially if the item you are checking is NOT easy for a "ONE MAN" look see. You run to the helm and put the gear in fwd and run back to the engine and see what that looks like on the lever ...... then DETACH the link and see whether you are in FULL FWD position on the lever and detent. Then go and repeat for the reverse position. Also, verify that the cable clamp is holding the shift cable firmly, with no slop.
Do, both engines while you are at it..... if the Admiral is willing, make her a cup of coffee, seat her at the helm (and if you have two cellphones for intercoms) and direct her to try fwd, reverse and maybe neutral on both stbd and port.
U should also send her to the bridge and do ditto. You may also have to adjust the cables at the helm controls to recenter and to make the handles even.

FINALLY, (the above was done with the engine off).... now it is time to judge the proper oil level on the stick(s)... I have found that there is a far easier way to judge things on an imperfect guesstimate of where full is ....
I have marked my sticks somewhere high above the full mark at the level shown when the properly filled trans is not running ..... I think it is approx. 1 to 1.5" above the full mark with the engine off.
With the engine warmed up, the trans picks up that temp via the oil cooler, and after shifting in and out of gear following the svc manual instr. I properly fill the beast ..... it is not important to know the stick inches vs qts or gallons .......... most of us are filling with a big funnel and the 5-gal oil drum and don't know if we dropped in a qt or 1.5 qts so every few seconds ......... check the stick with the eng running

If you overfill, big deal. Take the tube you use to change the oil and hook it to the dip stick tube and suck out a qt or two.

After all the above, I have had ZERO oil level issues ..... clearly the slippage caused by the incorrect linkage will overheat the oil immediately at the higher rpm's and cause foaming and overflow and low readings on the stick.

These Allisons are really forgiving ....... now,I ran a two hour run Thanksgiving over to Montauk and trying to beat the weather window ..... it was 50mph and 20-deg for two days prior ....... I ran at 2100 and 2200 rpm continuously with no issues.

So, get the svc and operating manuals and the xmission manual and follow EXACTLY what DD said.
Try my "cold, not running .... mark on the dip stick"
Check the linkage
Check the filter can/ gasket for leakage
ck the psi ............ 150 (max) seems to be OK for me.
 
I have put the "cold not running" mark on my dipsticks too. It works great. The reason they're supposed to be checked warm and running is that DD can't know what the length of your various gear oil lines would be, how big your oil cooler and oil filters would be, and these things drain oil backinto the gear in many boats. So they require checking it when everything's running and in equilibrium. Once the gear is in a boat, you can mark the cold not running point on your stick and it works fine.

Doug Shuman
 

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